US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[faberryman]

You'd be sensitive too if every day the leftist press called your intelligence and personality into question calling upon so-called psychologists to pass judgment from afar on his psychological makeup and intellect.  I haven't seen this much of those kind of attacks since Republicans Reagan in the 1980's and Ike before him in the 1950's.  Funny thing is it was the same media that attacked Regan and Ike on their supposed senility as an issue, something that Biden seems to be the one who's afflicted.  Of course Biden is their guy.  So they never bring it up.

There's another question on the test that I am really surprised he got right. They ask: "Tell me all of the vegetables you can think of that start with the letter "c"." Since he only eats at McDonald's and KFC, and neither "french fries" nor "mashed potatoes" start with the letter "c", and neither "cheeseburger" nor "chicken" are vegetables, how did he do it? Wait, wait...I am being told that KFC offers corn on the cob. "Corn on the cob" has two letters "c" in it, so maybe he got extra points on that question too. I am starting to see why he says he is a very stable genius. Maybe he should ask for a do-over with Chris Wallace so he can add that point. Nah, he can just tell us about it at the coronavirus briefing this afternoon.

[Craig Lamson]

Trump a great businessman? Nope--if he had invested his inheritance in the S&P 500 and then gone to sleep for 40 years, he'd now have more money than he claims to have--which is an almost surely inflated figure. Not to mention the bankruptcies--5 I think. If he's a great businessman, I am the Pope of Rome.

How much of New York did you build?

[James Clark]

How much of New York did you build?

Speaking only for myself, none.  Which probably means I've made more money than Trump dong it. 

[Craig Lamson]

Speaking only for myself, none.  Which probably means I've made more money than Trump dong it. 

Glad you used a smiley!

[Robert Roaldi]

How much of New York did you build?

I believe his father had a lot of real estate. Whether he was big in New York City terms, I have no way to judge. But I've not heard anyone say that Donald was a big real estate mogul except Donald himself.

But more to the point, who cares if Peter Ait is not big in New York City real estate. Is that supposed to mean something.

[Craig Lamson]

I believe his father had a lot of real estate. Whether he was big in New York City terms, I have no way to judge. But I've not heard anyone say that Donald was a big real estate mogul except Donald himself.

But more to the point, who cares if Peter Ait is not big in New York City real estate. Is that supposed to mean something.

He was bitching and moaning about Trumps business skills.  Its a fair question to ask him given his complaints. 

[Alan Klein]

He's not a poor man.

"In its 2018 billionaires ranking, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.1 billion (766th in the world, 248th in the U.S.). Bloomberg Billionaires Index listed Trump's net worth as $2.48 billion on May 31, 2018, and Wealth-X listed it as at least $3.8 billion on July 16, 2018.

In its 2019 billionaires ranking, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.1 billion (715th in the world, 259th in the U.S.) as of 5 March 2019"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump#:~:text=Bloomberg%20Billionaires%20Index%20listed%20Trump's,as%20of%205%20March%202019.

[faberryman]

He's not a poor man.

"In its 2018 billionaires ranking, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.1 billion (766th in the world, 248th in the U.S.). Bloomberg Billionaires Index listed Trump's net worth as $2.48 billion on May 31, 2018, and Wealth-X listed it as at least $3.8 billion on July 16, 2018.

In its 2019 billionaires ranking, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.1 billion (715th in the world, 259th in the U.S.) as of 5 March 2019"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump#:~:text=Bloomberg%20Billionaires%20Index%20listed%20Trump's,as%20of%205%20March%202019.

Apparently he has been hit hard with the plummeting economy. According to Forbes, he lost a billion dollars in asset value in March and is down to a net worth of 2.1 billion.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/04/02/trumps-net-worth-drops-1-billion-as-coronavirus-infects-the-presidents-business/#5c04108727de

Something else must have happened along the way. He said he was worth 10 billion during the 2016 campaign. I can't imagine he exaggerated. Maybe it was an aspiration statement.

[Alan Klein]

Apparently he has been hit hard with the plummeting economy. According to Forbes, he lost a billion dollars in asset value in March and is down to a net worth of 2.1 billion.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/04/02/trumps-net-worth-drops-1-billion-as-coronavirus-infects-the-presidents-business/#5c04108727de

Something else must have happened along the way. He said he was worth 10 billion during the 2016 campaign. I can't imagine he exaggerated. Maybe it was an aspiration statement.

Well, if he wins a second term, he won't be able to afford giving back his presidential salary like he did in his first term. 

[LesPalenik]

As could have been expected, the infection rate in Oklahoma spiked after the Trump's rally there, and most probably some of the infected people came from also other states which would increase the infections also outside of Oklahoma.

The important thing is that the attendees were required sign a waiver preventing them from suing if they tested positive for the coronavirus afterward.

Tulsa City-County Health Department Director Dr. Bruce Dart says President Donald Trump’s campaign rally in Tulsa in late June "likely contributed" to the new surge of coronavirus cases in the area.

On Wednesday, Dart told the Associated Press that the large gathering "more than likely" contributed to the spike, as it drew in thousands of participants — and protesters.

"In the past few days, we’ve seen almost 500 new cases, and we had several large events just over two weeks ago, so I guess we just connect the dots," Dart said.

https://www.newsbreak.com/oklahoma/tulsa/news/1597688623383/tulsa-city-health-official-says-trump-rally-likely-contributed-to-surge-of-new-coronavirus-cases

[BernardLanguillier]

A left wing media called Fox News is reporting that Trump would have sent federal law enforcement to cities governed by Democrats against their will.

This is the kind of news normally read about unstable African dictatorship.

Please tell me that Fox is once again spreading fake news about the great enlightened leader?

The craziest thing is that it apparently triggered a warning from the UN human rights committee, I guess it means they are under Chinese control, right?

All in all it seems healthy to have a Republican administration reinforce Washington’s control of things. We all want more government right?

I say let’s amend the first amendment and remove the right of free speech also, at least when that freedom is misused to oppose Trump.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Alan Klein]

A left wing media called Fox News is reporting that Trump would have sent federal law enforcement to cities governed by Democrats against their will.

This is the kind of news normally read about unstable African dictatorship.

Please tell me that Fox is once again spreading fake news about the great enlightened leader?

The craziest thing is that it apparently triggered a warning from the UN human rights committee, I guess it means they are under Chinese control, right?

All in all it seems healthy to have a Republican administration reinforce Washington’s control of things. We all want more government right?

I say let’s amend the first amendment and remove the right of free speech also, at least when that freedom is misused to oppose Trump.

Cheers,
Bernard

You're being hyperbolic.  Aren't Dutch national police used in Dutch demonstrations? While I think that Federal policing of local crime should be left to local police authorities, the idea that Federal cops being used for policing is unconstitutional  is wrong.  The Federal court just threw out a lawsuit trying to stop the Feds from doing it.  Of course, I can't find the article now the media is so biased they've already hidden it from the web. (Maybe someone else can find it.)  You probably never read about it since you only read leftist news media from the US. 

Also, we don't operate like an "African dictatorship".  We are a nation of laws. That's a pretty insulting comment you made especially when you consider how the Dutch colonized Africa killing thousands if not millions of Africans for your gain and in other Dutch colonies around the world.  And today, your The Netherlands has laws that target Muslims.  Maybe you should look inward before you point finger at others.  People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. 
https://www.dailysabah.com/islamophobia/2019/10/01/dutch-laws-increasingly-target-muslims-rights

[faberryman]

That's a pretty insulting comment you made especially when you consider how the Dutch colonized Africa killing thousands if not millions of Africans for your gain and in other Dutch colonies around the world.  And today, your The Netherlands has laws that target Muslims.  Maybe you should look inward before you point finger at others.  People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. 
https://www.dailysabah.com/islamophobia/2019/10/01/dutch-laws-increasingly-target-muslims-rights

Well, your mother wears army boots.

[Peter McLennan]

Well, your mother wears army boots.

[John Camp]

You're being hyperbolic.  Aren't Dutch national police used in Dutch demonstrations? While I think that Federal policing of local crime should be left to local police authorities, the idea that Federal cops being used for policing is unconstitutional  is wrong.  The Federal court just threw out a lawsuit trying to stop the Feds from doing it.  Of course, I can't find the article now the media is so biased they've already hidden it from the web. (Maybe someone else can find it.)  You probably never read about it since you only read leftist news media from the US. <snip>

Of course federal cops can make arrests. The problem in Portland was that some of the arrests were unconstitutional. To make an arrest, a cop must have probable cause, which they didn't have, which was why some of the cops' leaders were denying that they had made arrests at all. They put people in jail, and after a while, turned the loose. Whoops, nothing to see here, folks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/portland-fourth-amendment-arrests/2020/07/24/c7e9822c-cceb-11ea-91f1-28aca4d833a0_story.html

[Alan Klein]

Of course federal cops can make arrests. The problem in Portland was that some of the arrests were unconstitutional. To make an arrest, a cop must have probable cause, which they didn't have, which was why some of the cops' leaders were denying that they had made arrests at all. They put people in jail, and after a while, turned the loose. Whoops, nothing to see here, folks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/portland-fourth-amendment-arrests/2020/07/24/c7e9822c-cceb-11ea-91f1-28aca4d833a0_story.html

Any arrests that were wrong, leaves the city open to monetary lawsuits.  If cops violated criminal laws, they're open to criminal prosecution. 

[Frans Waterlander]

Only one demonstrator/rioter claims that the Feds in Portland, Oregon apprehended one demonstrator/rioter and "whisked" him or her or "they" away in a van. This claim has not been verified or acknowledged by anybody. The usual hype of the radical left.

[Frans Waterlander]

Of course federal cops can make arrests. The problem in Portland was that some of the arrests were unconstitutional. To make an arrest, a cop must have probable cause, which they didn't have, which was why some of the cops' leaders were denying that they had made arrests at all. They put people in jail, and after a while, turned the loose. Whoops, nothing to see here, folks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/portland-fourth-amendment-arrests/2020/07/24/c7e9822c-cceb-11ea-91f1-28aca4d833a0_story.html

I see, John, that you get your information from the Washington Post. Way to go if brainwashing is what you like to be subjected to.

[hogloff]

I see, John, that you get your information from the Washington Post. Way to go if brainwashing is what you like to be subjected to.

Where do you go to get your unbiased news...fox?

[BobShaw]

Of course federal cops can make arrests. The problem in Portland was that some of the arrests were unconstitutional. To make an arrest, a cop must have probable cause

If 10% of what the world sees happening in the US is true then you guys are in real trouble.

At the end of the news the other night they showed a mob of "militia" (big kids with real guns) on one side of a road and another mob of militia facing them on the other side of the road. Everyone seemed to have an automatic weapon at the minimum. A few had rocket launchers. Then one of them shot himself accidentally. Funniest thing in the news. The police probably should just fire a few shots in the air and stand back.