Pages: 1 ... 374 375 [376] 377 378 ... 400   Go Down

Author Topic: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political  (Read 503545 times)

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15850
    • Flicker photos
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7500 on: October 09, 2020, 01:08:52 pm »

So why are there shortages if the federal government helped with supplying the shortages. Something does not add up here.


There are no longer shortages.  Trump ordered the federal government to make up state shortages very quickly.  When that was done, he started sending PPE to other parts of the world who were short like in Europe.

TechTalk

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3628
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7501 on: October 09, 2020, 01:49:20 pm »

Logged
Respice, adspice, prospice - Look to the past, the present, the future

chez

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2501
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7502 on: October 09, 2020, 02:15:27 pm »

The gift of the Trojan Horse comes to mind. Anyone who thinks they'll get a better deal from China than America is foolish.   

In any case, Croatian and American relations are excellent both militarily and economically.    Croatia is a member of NATO. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia%E2%80%93United_States_relations

Is that the same NATO Trump has threatened to exit from?

I think if one actually talks to the everyday people in Croatia, one would get a very different view than from the propoganda you read.
Logged

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15850
    • Flicker photos
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7503 on: October 09, 2020, 03:09:03 pm »

Is that the same NATO Trump has threatened to exit from?

I think if one actually talks to the everyday people in Croatia, one would get a very different view than from the propaganda you read.
Do Croats think China's going to save them from Russia or other Balkan states? Then they should pull out of NATO and make a military alliance with China. It will save American taxpayers money we can spend on ourselves.

Robert Roaldi

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5513
    • Robert's Photos
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7504 on: October 09, 2020, 04:24:13 pm »

Do Croats think China's going to save them from Russia or other Balkan states? Then they should pull out of NATO and make a military alliance with China. It will save American taxpayers money we can spend on ourselves.

The US has over 800 military bases around the world. The rest of the world combined has 76. Maybe you should spend money on yourselves.
Logged
--
Robert

Chris Kern

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2204
    • Chris Kern's Eponymous Website
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7505 on: October 09, 2020, 04:38:02 pm »

There are no longer shortages.  Trump ordered the federal government to make up state shortages very quickly.

This is perhaps one-third correct.  There is still a shortage of certain critical protective equipment, particularly medically-certified respirator masks.  However, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has issued an authorization for emergency use in medical settings of respirators that are not certified for medical purposes: e.g., those for filtering dust and other small particles that are sold in home improvement stores.  The supply of these is not constrained thanks to a massive ramping up of production by manufacturers in China.  They are not designed as a barrier for fluid splatter, such as blood, but they provide the same protection against aerosols as medical respirators.  Trump had nothing to do with the issuance of this federal regulation; it was drafted and approved by the agency's medical staff.  And China is almost exclusively responsible for the adequacy of the current supply, because Chinese manufacturers are the source of almost all the product that is subsequently branded by companies in China, the United States, and other countries.

chez

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2501
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7506 on: October 09, 2020, 04:41:54 pm »

Do Croats think China's going to save them from Russia or other Balkan states? Then they should pull out of NATO and make a military alliance with China. It will save American taxpayers money we can spend on ourselves.

And you think little puppy Trump would do anything to stop Putin. Trumps been Putins "whore" since day one.
Logged

Craig Lamson

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3264
    • Craig Lamson Photo Homepage
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7507 on: October 09, 2020, 05:26:19 pm »

Did he...yet I continue to hear about PPE shortages from the hospital staff. Now who should I believe, Trump or the actual staff...give me a second to think on that.

I spent the entire day last Saturday with my Mom at the Hospital as she dealt with a kidney stone. I’m inquisitive.  I talked to everyone I could and asked repeatedly about ppe.  Was told over and over again there was no problem and has not been for quite some time Some spot shortages the early part of the pandemic but nothing after that.

This is just one hospital in fly over country.
Logged
Craig Lamson Photo

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15850
    • Flicker photos
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7508 on: October 09, 2020, 10:44:18 pm »

The US has over 800 military bases around the world. The rest of the world combined has 76. Maybe you should spend money on yourselves.
I agree.  America is going broke.  Countries are going to have to defend themselves.

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15850
    • Flicker photos
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7509 on: October 09, 2020, 11:05:34 pm »

This is perhaps one-third correct.  There is still a shortage of certain critical protective equipment, particularly medically-certified respirator masks.  However, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has issued an authorization for emergency use in medical settings of respirators that are not certified for medical purposes: e.g., those for filtering dust and other small particles that are sold in home improvement stores.  The supply of these is not constrained thanks to a massive ramping up of production by manufacturers in China.  They are not designed as a barrier for fluid splatter, such as blood, but they provide the same protection against aerosols as medical respirators.  Trump had nothing to do with the issuance of this federal regulation; it was drafted and approved by the agency's medical staff.  And China is almost exclusively responsible for the adequacy of the current supply, because Chinese manufacturers are the source of almost all the product that is subsequently branded by companies in China, the United States, and other countries.
I don;t know how you came up with one-third.  But the really big issue as I remember it was the dearth of respirators.  My recollection was that Trump got many American companies to make these in time and supplied them to states that had the most cases.  Now he's shipping surplus to other countries.  There may be issues with masks, as American companies are making as many as they can.  So you find a substitute.  That happens in war.  But you don't read about shortages today as Craig confirmed with his own experience.  In any case, there's only so much a president can do.  Congress has to,authroize funding for PPE and while they are working on bills, they haven't issued them yet.  I guess the election isn't helping that problem.

Part of the problem is also that we shipped our manufacturing to China.  Just what Trump has complained about since before he became president and has been trying to reverse by getting manufacturing back to America.  Yet the Democrats have challenged him every step of the way with his efforts regarding trade and finance with China. 

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15850
    • Flicker photos
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7510 on: October 10, 2020, 07:41:15 am »

As I said weeks ago about America's high virus counts,  others shouldn't laugh at us or Sweden or count their chickens before they hatch.   Pointing fingers at Trump and America's high rate,  was a lot of hubris.  This thing isn't over.  We all have a lot of damage still to occur.

 Europe’s Economic Recovery Is a Summer Memory
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEATxGmHAC3v02lWoOnOI4g4qFwgEKg8IACoHCAowjuuKAzCWrzwwt4QY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

William Walker

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1203
    • William Walker Landscapes
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7511 on: October 10, 2020, 08:19:44 am »

As I said weeks ago about America's high virus counts,  others shouldn't laugh at us or Sweden or count their chickens before they hatch.   Pointing fingers at Trump and America's high rate,  was a lot of hubris.  This thing isn't over.  We all have a lot of damage still to occur.

 Europe’s Economic Recovery Is a Summer Memory
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEATxGmHAC3v02lWoOnOI4g4qFwgEKg8IACoHCAowjuuKAzCWrzwwt4QY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

Yes Alan, we finally agree on something! It is - and has always been - simple science, ignore it at your peril.
Logged
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." Christopher Hitchens

LesPalenik

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5338
    • advantica blog
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7512 on: October 10, 2020, 09:19:26 am »

As I said weeks ago about America's high virus counts,  others shouldn't laugh at us or Sweden or count their chickens before they hatch.   Pointing fingers at Trump and America's high rate,  was a lot of hubris.  This thing isn't over.  We all have a lot of damage still to occur.

 Europe’s Economic Recovery Is a Summer Memory
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEATxGmHAC3v02lWoOnOI4g4qFwgEKg8IACoHCAowjuuKAzCWrzwwt4QY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

Just wait till the summer. With the rising temperatures the virus will magically disappear.
Logged

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15850
    • Flicker photos
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7513 on: October 10, 2020, 11:03:38 am »

Just wait till the summer. With the rising temperatures the virus will magically disappear.

Yeah.  That didn't work out too well.  I was wrong on that prediction although it's gotten better.  Right now my wife and I are heading for the New Jersey Shore to hang out on the beach with my daughter and son-in-law.  I figure it's breezy enough that we can stay apart yet still have a couple of nice hours together.  We haven't seen them in 7 months.

Here's another prediction for next summer.   There could well be herd immunity due to the vaccines and the ongoing infection rates that will continue.  But I don't think we'll shut down the economy in the same way we did originally. I don't know about Canada or Europe.  But America can't afford it and people will starve if we don't get industry going again.  I was in NYC two days ago and it's still pretty dead. 

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15850
    • Flicker photos
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7514 on: October 10, 2020, 11:09:29 am »

Yes Alan, we finally agree on something! It is - and has always been - simple science, ignore it at your peril.
No one's ignored the medical peril.  But there's the peril of an economy that collapses and you can't feed your people.   Every well-meaning leader is struggling to  find a balance.  It's not easy. 

How do you propose to handle that?

Peter McLennan

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4692
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7515 on: October 10, 2020, 11:13:22 am »

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/china-joins-global-vaccine-alliance-filling-leadership-vacuum-left-by-trump/

COVAX global alliance of most countries created to ensure equitable efficient distribution of COVID vaccine welcomes China.

USA not included.
Logged

Robert Roaldi

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5513
    • Robert's Photos
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7516 on: October 10, 2020, 11:23:58 am »

Breaking news, FDA bureaucracy holds up another miracle cure https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/520452-trump-sparks-new-fda-concerns-with-praise-of-miracle-covid-treatment.

We could save some time by just copy/pasting forum postings from earlier this year. :)
Logged
--
Robert

DP

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 727
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7517 on: October 10, 2020, 11:32:03 am »

There are no longer shortages.

no longer shortages = I can buy N95 mask from 3M in a regular shop like I used to a year ago ... if I can't then shortages exist.
Logged

DP

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 727
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7518 on: October 10, 2020, 11:34:06 am »

I agree.  America is going broke.  Countries are going to have to defend themselves.

wrong - better for USA will be to have them to pay 100% of all costs + good margins on top...
Logged

Alan Klein

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15850
    • Flicker photos
Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7519 on: October 10, 2020, 11:35:47 am »

no longer shortages = I can buy N95 mask from 3M in a regular shop like I used to a year ago ... if I can't then shortages exist.
I said there were mask shortages.  So use something else. There are shortages in war.  Manufacturers can only make so many.  We're waiting for  Congress to fund more manufacturing. 

In the meanwhile Europe doesn't have enough ICU beds as America does, a more serious problem.
Pages: 1 ... 374 375 [376] 377 378 ... 400   Go Up