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« Reply #1000 on: March 23, 2020, 03:06:49 pm »

Swine flu, bird flu... etc.

And why is that? Because those mofos like to eat what no other normal human on Earth would even consider eating. And it always "randomly" starts there.

It would be in everyone's best interests to get them to adopt modern food chain hygiene rules. Maybe we could exchange that training for some ventilators and masks.  :)
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« Reply #1001 on: March 23, 2020, 03:07:39 pm »

You're basically doing what we're doing here.  But what about small businesses like food shops, coffee shops, barbers, office workers in large corporations?  Photographers?  Etc.  EVerything here seems to be shutting down.  I thought the Netherlands was keeping those places open over there?

No, maximum control to avoid the spread, but without total lock-down. The situation is managed on a daily basis. Last weekend a lot of people ignored the social distancing guidelines and came together in parks and on beaches. This will result in a peak in infections in about 10 days. A government reaction will follow this evening (see below).

Small business owners without personnel can e.g. get a loan to avoid immediate bankruptcy, so they can still pay rent and utility bills. They can pay their Taxes (e.g. VAT and Municipal) at a later date without getting fined, etc. etc.

An hour ago a press-conference was broadcast on national TV and radio stations:

Effective immediately,
1. All gatherings (events, meetings, home parties) are forbidden till June 1st, without a lower limit on the number of people (exceptions for e.g.  funerals and marriages).
2. City Majors can close specific locations without having to pass new laws, shops can be confronted with closure if they do not implement an effective door policy, (e.g. limiting the number of customers in the shop at the same time),
3. Groups of more than 3 people in public space (streets, parks, beaches) are forbidden (parents with young children excepted). Minimum allowed distance between people remains 1.5 meters. Police can enforce including writing a ticket (couple of hundred Euros).

If 1 person in a family has sympthoms, then all family members are forced to maintain quaranty.

Other activities include ongoing expansion of ICU capacity.
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« Reply #1002 on: March 23, 2020, 03:08:04 pm »

Which is the beginning of the end for the Western Civilization.

It's been underway for a long time now, Slobodan. When I was at University of Michigan in the late forties and early fifties I used to hang out in the Men's Union. Women weren't allowed in the place. It kept the intermingling situation down to a dull roar and allowed you to study -- or, in my case, write poetry.
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« Reply #1003 on: March 23, 2020, 03:09:04 pm »

That's enough panic for today. I'm outta here.
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« Reply #1004 on: March 23, 2020, 03:12:28 pm »

No, maximum control to avoid the spread, but without total lock-down. The situation is managed on a daily basis. Last weekend a lot of people ignored the social distancing guidelines and came together in parks and on beaches. This will result in a peak in infections in about 10 days. A government reaction will follow this evening (see below).

Small business owners without personnel can e.g. get a loan to avoid immediate bankruptcy, so they can still pay rent and utility bills. They can pay their Taxes (e.g. VAT and Municipal) at a later date without getting fined, etc. etc.

An hour ago a press-conference was broadcast on national TV and radio stations:

Effective immediately,
1. All gatherings (events, meetings, home parties) are forbidden till June 1st, without a lower limit on the number of people (exceptions for e.g.  funerals and marriages).
2. City Majors can close specific locations without having to pass new laws, shops can be confronted with closure if they do not implement an effective door policy, (e.g. limiting the number of customers in the shop at the same time),
3. Groups of more than 3 people in public space (streets, parks, beaches) are forbidden (parents with young children excepted). Minimum allowed distance between people remains 1.5 meters. Police can enforce including writing a ticket (couple of hundred Euros).

If 1 person in a family has sympthoms, then all family members are forced to maintain quaranty.

Other activities include ongoing expansion of ICU capacity.

In some locales here in Ontario people were congregating in large numbers, conservation areas, some parks, etc. Authorities have had to shut them down. Aside from not keeping social distance because the places were becoming too crowded, they were trampling on sensitive areas that are still too wet from the spring thaw.

It will be interesting to see when the research eventually gets done, how much infection was precipitated by the people who insisted on partying during spring break.
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« Reply #1005 on: March 23, 2020, 03:13:59 pm »

It's been underway for a long time now, Slobodan. When I was at University of Michigan in the late forties and early fifties I used to hang out in the Men's Union. Women weren't allowed in the place. It kept the intermingling situation down to a dull roar and allowed you to study -- or, in my case, write poetry.

Yup, that's the trouble with too much intermingling, it saps all the precious bodily fluids. :)
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« Reply #1006 on: March 23, 2020, 03:14:41 pm »

Which is the beginning of the end for the Western Civilization.

I wonder if this is what Taliban online forums are like.   ;)
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« Reply #1007 on: March 23, 2020, 03:18:50 pm »

As the duke said to the woman: "If you believe that, you will believe anything."

Live and learn, Russ, live and learn ...
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« Reply #1008 on: March 23, 2020, 03:22:41 pm »

Which is the beginning of the end for the Western Civilization.
Reminds me of what Gandhi said when asked what he thought of western civilization. His reply was that he thought it would be a good idea.
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« Reply #1009 on: March 23, 2020, 03:30:52 pm »

Enjoy the 'break', Martin.
Stay safe, stay well.

Thank you. I am going to try come out of this a better person than what I go in. Providing I survive of course and that is not assured.

I thought our president spoke well and made a heartfelt appeal for us to be kind and cooperative and nice to each other.
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« Reply #1010 on: March 23, 2020, 03:43:25 pm »

I live in a village that is a bit of a tourist trap, as well as a venue for filming (4 Weddings and a Funeral, The Holiday, Bridget Jones, etc.).  Last weekend residents got really hacked off with the number of people flouting the UK government's strong, clear, advice on social distancing (2 metres separation).  The same happened in the next village where off-road bikers sat around in a big group chatting and eating snacks at the end of their rides in the woods.

Today notices have been put up by the local Council. 'If your visit is not essential, please go home.'  We are not the only ones.  Respiratory hospital staff in Belfast have today issued a hard hitting video plea to the media for people to stay at home, so that they (the staff) are as well protected as possible and can continue to care for those who have the virus. The government is actively considering further restrictions and sanctions.

The behaviour of a surprising number of people is dumbfuckery of a high order.

Best wishes,

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« Reply #1011 on: March 23, 2020, 03:49:00 pm »

Well, that explains it then. The Great Leap Forward was in 1958 -- more than 50 years ago, so you wouldn't have a clue, and just demonstrated that fact. You might want to do some reading on the subject.

Please oh wise one...why don't you educate us clueless folk. Tell me about all the US backed invasions to take out foreign leaders to be replaced by a US puppet. US made a huge deal about some foreign country influencing their last election...how many times has the US flexed their muscles to influence elections in areas that have US interests.

Some people can see things clearly without having their rosy blinds influencing their views.
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« Reply #1012 on: March 23, 2020, 04:13:51 pm »

Today, fm The Times, UK:

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The Trump administration has issued secret orders to facilitate a military takeover of the US in the event that civilian leadership is incapacitated during the coronavirus crisis, a report says.

This is a Times of London pick-up of a story published by Newsweek last Wednesday about federal "continuity of government" plans which have been prepared by every presidential administration for many years―at least since the cold war―in order to provide for the safety of senior appointive (i.e., political) and career (civil service, foreign service, and military) officials and, if necessary, the devolution of essential functions to lower-level officials so government services can continue uninterrupted during a national emergency.  The military has an important role in this process―for example, by providing emergency transportation―but to characterize this as preparation for a "military takeover" is preposterous.

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« Reply #1013 on: March 23, 2020, 04:38:02 pm »



This is a Times of London pick-up of a story published by Newsweek last Wednesday about federal "continuity of government" plans which have been prepared by every presidential administration for many years―at least since the cold war―in order to provide for the safety of senior appointive (i.e., political) and career (civil service, foreign service, and military) officials and, if necessary, the devolution of essential functions to lower-level officials so government services can continue uninterrupted during a national emergency.  The military has an important role in this process―for example, by providing emergency transportation―but to characterize this as preparation for a "military takeover" is preposterous.
It's not preposterous if you're looking to write another article to bring down Trump.  These accusations have been going on for four years.  After all, before he was going to take over the government, wasn't he a traitor colluding with the Russians?  Damn Mueller.

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« Reply #1014 on: March 23, 2020, 04:46:45 pm »

This is a Times of London pick-up of a story published by Newsweek last Wednesday about federal "continuity of government" plans ... but to characterize this as preparation for a "military takeover" is preposterous.

You are correct, though I did not characterise it at all - ‘some’ (plural), interpreted it within the confines of their own perspective.

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A fourth plan, codenamed Granite Shadow, relates to domestic missions involving weapons of mass destruction.

Three others — Octagon, Freejack and Zodiac — outline how “continuity of government” would be maintained by circumventing the succession sequence laid out in the constitution and placing military commanders in control until a new civilian leader could be installed.

In October 2018 the joint chiefs of staff reminded military commanders that they could “engage temporarily” in military control on their own authority “where prior authorisation by the president is impossible” or where local authorities “are unable to control the situation”. Eligible conditions include “large scale unexpected civil disturbances” involving “significant loss of life or wanton destruction of property”.

In the final year of his administration President Obama issued an order clarifying the “national essential functions” of government that needed to be maintained in an emergency.

The catastrophe response programme began in the Eisenhower era, when the possibility emerged of an enemy power obliterating the White House in a nuclear attack.

Imposing martial law temporarily is a “pretty straightforward process” when only one city or region has been devastated, a military planner told William Arkin, the journalist and former soldier who wrote the Newsweek piece. “But with coronavirus, where the effect is nationwide, we’re in territory we’ve never been in before.”
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« Reply #1015 on: March 23, 2020, 05:13:35 pm »

Which is the beginning of the end for the Western Civilization.

Insecure much? Heaven forbid your wife tells you what to do. Oh, wait ..

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« Reply #1016 on: March 23, 2020, 05:23:10 pm »

According to Johns Hopkins University tracking, the death rate in the US is about 1.3%.

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« Reply #1017 on: March 23, 2020, 05:26:25 pm »

Indeed... I am appalled by the reaction of some people here. China, together witht some other Asian countries like south Korea and Japan, have shown how to tackle this problem: a lot of testing and effective quarantine. They are at the forefront of the scientific testing. Those countries have a lot of experience from previous epidemics like the SARS-COV1 in 2002 and 2003.

We should listen to them without needless remarks. Blaming the "china virus" to divert attention from pour own incompetence from our "leaders" will not result - people are not that stupid. Unfortunately, the countries of Trump, Bolsonaro, and Boris, will suffer a lot with this.

My comment referred to the "not for profit" part of why Chinese are helping.
The current administration's "America first" created a huge vacuum in the outside world that China is happily filling. South and Central America were already prime targets, messing up with NAFTA for that long only helped them. Look at the level of Chinese investments there.

China has a tremendous history and culture, US can only dream of.
The present however is why I will never be their supporter. I believe in those 3 things, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. China does about half. You are free to pursuit happiness and to live as long as the party agrees with it, and you definitely have to agree with the party. Until they do all, I will never root for them. They have a lot to offer, but it's poisoned inside. US has its own issues but there is no comparison on those 3 requirements. Now after this lockdown stuff maybe the ruling party will like the taste of it and want to become like China.

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« Reply #1018 on: March 23, 2020, 05:57:23 pm »

According to Johns Hopkins University tracking, the death rate in the US is about 1.3%.
John, remember that is based on tested individuals.  The actual infections may be ten times that dropping the mortality to 0.13%  As soon as possibly feasible, large scale testing of the US populace needs to take place; only then will we know the true statistics.
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« Reply #1019 on: March 23, 2020, 05:58:57 pm »

According to Johns Hopkins University tracking, the death rate in the US is about 1.3%.

That corresponds very closely with the 1.22% rate calculated from latest total infection count (42,839) and total fatalities (522). Which is almost exactly the same as the South Korea death rate (1.24%). Compared with 9.51% for Italy or 6.67% for Spain.
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