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James Clark

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #940 on: October 17, 2019, 01:43:20 pm »

The children of the current generation are already bearing the consequences of the move towards renewables. They're suffering anxiety and stress because of the unfounded alarm about CO2 emissions, and many are wondering if they should refrain from having children because the future is so bleak.

Have you considered that cost?

This seems like a positive side benefit.  What's your point?
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« Reply #941 on: October 17, 2019, 01:52:46 pm »

The children of the current generation are already bearing the consequences of the move towards renewables. They're suffering anxiety and stress because of the unfounded alarm about CO2 emissions, and many are wondering if they should refrain from having children because the future is so bleak.

Have you considered that cost?

If that became true it would mean you need more young migrant people to keep the economy working...
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« Reply #942 on: October 17, 2019, 03:27:43 pm »

Alan, that's about the tenth time you've brought up the fact that Germany pays more for electricity than you do. We get it. However, there are factors at play that you don't mention.  For example, undoubtedly some significant share of your apparently inexpensive NJ power comes from up north: from the socialist, government-ruled, liberty-free societies of Labrador and Quebec, where they generate power efficiently, renewably and cheaply from falling water. You're welcome.

Besides, low prices aren't necessarily a good thing; just ask any small town what happens when a Walmart or Dollar General moves in.

Americans also pay among the lowest prices in the western world for gasoline and diesel, but many American highways (and bridges) are in atrocious shape. I've experienced them first hand. This fact is according to Americans, not just me. Try driving on European highways, compared to, say those in Pennsylvania. Or NYC. Or NM. Or, perish the thought, New Jersey. :) Potholes anyone?  Poor infrastructure maintenance is irresponsible, third world stuff.

Taxes have benefits.  Drive I-5 the length of relatively high-tax Oregon and be amazed at just how pleasurable smooth asphalt and clearly painted highway markings can be.

In any case, getting back to low prices, fossil fuels (especially and immediately, coal) are doomed. They're too expensive. Renewables are not only better for everyone and everything, they're rapidly becoming cheaper.

Imagine, if you will, a solar powered steel mill.  Pueblo, CO will have one soon.  Not because it's greener or more politically correct, because it's cheaper.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/360/xcel-energy-plans-to-close-2-of-its-coal-fired-plants-in-pueblo-to-make-way-for-a-greener-future






I have no problem with private industry deciding to build renewable energy plants.  It's their money.  It's when the governor starts doing things that are hugely expensive with my tax money so they can earn political points.  And then lie about those costs to the public. 


As an aside, the article didn't explain how the renewable energy will be produced on the 65 days when there's no sun or at night.  It seems that they'll need fossil fuel backup.  There's nothing in the article that explains what that will cost and where it's coming from.  Maybe from Labrador and Quebec, Canada? :)

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« Reply #943 on: October 17, 2019, 03:31:02 pm »

This seems like a positive side benefit.  What's your point?
So you think it's a good idea to convert happy children who would ordinarily look forward to a happy, productive future with families into children that look and act like that Greta what's her name who at 16 years of age sees no future or reason for living blaming her misery on climate change predictions? 

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« Reply #944 on: October 17, 2019, 04:38:13 pm »


As an aside, the article didn't explain how the renewable energy will be produced on the 65 days when there's no sun or at night.  It seems that they'll need fossil fuel backup.  There's nothing in the article that explains what that will cost and where it's coming from.  Maybe from Labrador and Quebec, Canada? :)

I made a lot of points in my post and you chose to ignore nearly all of them. Your only response to any of it indicates that you obviously didn't even read the article. It explains precisely how they'll solve that problem. 

And, yes, it could well be at least partly coming from Labrador and Quebec.  Electricity respects neither geographical nor temporal boundaries.
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« Reply #945 on: October 17, 2019, 05:13:36 pm »

I made a lot of points in my post and you chose to ignore nearly all of them. Your only response to any of it indicates that you obviously didn't even read the article. It explains precisely how they'll solve that problem. 

And, yes, it could well be at least partly coming from Labrador and Quebec.  Electricity respects neither geographical nor temporal boundaries.

Peter, I was going to answer each of them.  But you made so many diverse points, I just didn't have the time.  Let me just say I disagree with them all. :) 

1. Germany's renewables did not save them money.  In fact they went up.  What America pays and where we get our electricity from are a separate issue. 
2. Lower prices are always better than higher prices.  Otherwise farmers should sell their tractors and hire ten more farm workers for each and raise their food prices for people starving in the world, a wasteful proposition. 
3. Sure taxes are helpful when needed.  Unfortunately, government wastes a lot of money through inefficient processes.  I personally know having worked for NYC government for 14 years in school construction.   It's best to leave most things in private hands. 

I did miss the battery storage inclusion in the first read-through.  In any case, like I said, I'm all in favor of private decisions to build renewables.  It's the government doing it I don;t trust. 

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« Reply #946 on: October 19, 2019, 12:56:26 pm »

Peter, I was going to answer each of them.  But you made so many diverse points, I just didn't have the time.  Let me just say I disagree with them all. :) 

Nah.  Let's just say you're hilarious.

"I just didn't have the time".  This from a guy who appears to spend his time 24-7 on LuLa politics threads.
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #947 on: October 20, 2019, 01:47:55 pm »

Go on, Alan.  Let's see you defend pot holes or bridges that fall down.  Or decry velvet-smooth Interstates in Oregon.  You know you want to.
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« Reply #948 on: October 20, 2019, 06:26:11 pm »

As a New Yorker from "pothole city", I'm jealous of the velvet smooth interstates of Oregon.  Do you realize how much money I could have saved on flats and balancing tires?

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« Reply #949 on: October 20, 2019, 07:33:11 pm »

As a New Yorker from "pothole city", I'm jealous of the velvet smooth interstates of Oregon.  Do you realize how much money I could have saved on flats and balancing tires?

So, the money you (and everyone else) spent on tires (and shocks, too, probably) you could have spent on road (fuel) taxes.  Then, they could fix all the potholes and EVERYONE would benefit, not just you.

Oh, wait. That's socialism. When everyone benefits.  Sorry.
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« Reply #950 on: October 20, 2019, 07:50:56 pm »

So, the money you (and everyone else) spent on tires (and shocks, too, probably) you could have spent on road (fuel) taxes.  Then, they could fix all the potholes and EVERYONE would benefit, not just you.

Oh, wait. That's socialism. When everyone benefits.  Sorry.

Thanks for the tax advice on potholes.  I'll pass it on to the mayor. 

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #951 on: October 21, 2019, 08:11:32 am »

Sea-Level Rise From Antarctic Ice Cliffs May Be Overestimated Because of Faulty Assumptions
https://scitechdaily.com/sea-level-rise-from-antarctic-ice-cliffs-may-be-overestimated-because-of-faulty-assumptions/

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #952 on: October 21, 2019, 02:48:10 pm »

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« Reply #953 on: October 21, 2019, 02:55:39 pm »

Glad to see you back Slobodan. I was getting lonely holding down the fort. :)

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« Reply #954 on: October 21, 2019, 03:11:10 pm »

"University dumps professor who found polar bears thriving despite climate change"

Just what I've been saying all along.  The bears figured out what to do as it warms up in the north and/or have no problem in the first place.  All a lot of fake news to drum up support for global warming alarmists.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/20/susan-crockford-fired-after-finding-polar-bears-th/

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« Reply #955 on: October 21, 2019, 03:12:04 pm »

Glad to see you back Slobodan. I was getting lonely holding down the fort. :)
Ray's been helping a lot.  :)

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« Reply #956 on: October 21, 2019, 03:34:39 pm »

"University dumps professor who found polar bears thriving despite climate change"

Just what I've been saying all along.  The bears figured out what to do as it warms up in the north and/or have no problem in the first place.
 

Yes, amazing how they convinced people to stop hunting them for pleasure ...
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« Reply #957 on: October 21, 2019, 04:25:28 pm »

 

Yes, amazing how they convinced people to stop hunting them for pleasure ...
That's not true.  Studies have shown that changes in hunting policy made little difference.  The polar bears are doing very well despite "global warming".  They're adapting or it's just not making any difference in the first place. 

The main point is why are we just now reading about this?  Polar bears were the main victim of the global warming alarmists.  Yet, now there's proof they're not and the public doesn't learn about it.  It's only in a conservative paper.  Why aren't the CNN's, NY Times, and others like them broadcasting her study?  Because they're afraid it would create doubt about the whole theory.  So you hide the study.  Then you hear from people like me who become even less credulous of the theory.  Because you're hiding truth. 


And in the end she was fired from the university.

“Professor after professor has been hounded, silenced, censured or fired for speaking out against the approved man-made climate crisis narrative,” Mr. Morano said. “The message to any climate dissenters in academia is once again reinforced: Stay silent with your skepticism or risk endangering your career.”

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« Reply #958 on: October 21, 2019, 05:43:10 pm »

... “Professor after professor has been hounded, silenced, censured or fired for speaking out against the approved man-made climate crisis narrative,” Mr. Morano said. “The message to any climate dissenters in academia is once again reinforced: Stay silent with your skepticism or risk endangering your career.”

Indeed. What I've been saying for years, as method to arrive to the "consensus." But even the fake "97% consensus" is not enough for climato-maniacs. Note the title of a recent thread here:

"How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science"

It is not enough to claim (falsely) the 97%... no, they need 100%... thus the remaining 3% are not even considered science, but "fake science."

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« Reply #959 on: October 21, 2019, 06:22:36 pm »

That's not true.  Studies have shown that changes in hunting policy made little difference.

Proof?
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