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LesPalenik

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #900 on: October 14, 2019, 11:04:22 pm »

Like I said, population is the cause of too much pollution and CO2.  So now it's had to happen.  People calling for no children.  It's sick out there and getting sicker. 
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/11/18256166/climate-change-having-kids

Continuing the current trend in population increase is sure not a solution for future generation.
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« Reply #901 on: October 14, 2019, 11:47:36 pm »

Continuing the current trend in population increase is sure not a solution for future generation.
These nihilists are teaching children not to have children.  Decades ago they made the same argument there wouldn't be enough food if the population increased.  Well they were wrong then too. 

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« Reply #902 on: October 15, 2019, 12:18:23 am »

Extrapolating the extremes - the humanity started when they were few people and many resources, and it will end up with many people and few resources.
Assuming anything else is just being conned into one huge pyramid scheme.
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« Reply #903 on: October 15, 2019, 02:45:24 am »

These nihilists are teaching children not to have children.  Decades ago they made the same argument there wouldn't be enough food if the population increased.  Well they were wrong then too.

Were they? You're just lucky that you are not one of the 821 million people suffering from hunger.

Global hunger continues to rise, new UN report says
821 million people now hungry and over 150 million children stunted, putting hunger eradication goal at risk

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/11-09-2018-global-hunger-continues-to-rise---new-un-report-says
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The annual UN report found that climate variability affecting rainfall patterns and agricultural seasons, and climate extremes such as droughts and floods, are among the key drivers behind the rise in hunger, together with conflict and economic slowdowns.
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #904 on: October 15, 2019, 07:37:39 am »

Overfishing because of the overpopulation demands:

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Conservation NGOs have expressed their anger with the EU, as Baltic Sea fishing quotas were set late on Oct. 14 at levels above the EU's own legal requirements for sustainable fishing levels in 2020. In a press release, the Danish government declared the quotas had "struck a good balance" between the development of fish stocks, and the preservation of the fishing industry.

Negotiations took place between EU member states and the European Commission (EC) at the Luxembourg Council of Ministers. The EC had proposed to reduce cod quotas in the western Baltic by 68% and herring quotas by 71%. Following yesterday's meeting, Denmark said its quotas would fall by 60% and 65% respectively.

https://www.undercurrentnews.com/2019/10/15/ngos-angry-as-eu-sets-baltic-quotas-above-sustainable-levels/
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« Reply #905 on: October 15, 2019, 07:45:48 am »

The fish are disappearing not only because of the overfishing, but also because of the agricultural over-fertilization and related water runoffs.

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In lakes all over the world, algal blooms are getting more severe. Researchers analysed growth patterns of algal blooms in 71 large lakes across 33 countries and six continents.
Studies indicate that just in the United States, freshwater blooms result in the loss of $4 billion each year.

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/dhw5qh/in_lakes_all_over_the_world_algal_blooms_are/
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« Reply #906 on: October 15, 2019, 11:19:03 am »

Were they? You're just lucky that you are not one of the 821 million people suffering from hunger.

Global hunger continues to rise, new UN report says
821 million people now hungry and over 150 million children stunted, putting hunger eradication goal at risk

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/11-09-2018-global-hunger-continues-to-rise---new-un-report-says

There have always been hungry people.  But today, it's the lowest its ever been.  More people are doing better in the world than ever before especially because of capitalism and free markets.  Just look at the Chinese people today compared to where they were under Mao.  100's of millions of people are now eating better.  People are starving in North Korea because of the politics, not because there couldn;t be enough food.   The biggest issue with starving is not the food.  There;s plenty of it.  It's distribution - getting food to where it's needed.  DIstribution and giving food to the poor are interrupted by war, conflicts, theft, and greed and lots of corruption at the government level. 

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« Reply #907 on: October 15, 2019, 11:22:58 am »

Overfishing because of the overpopulation demands:

https://www.undercurrentnews.com/2019/10/15/ngos-angry-as-eu-sets-baltic-quotas-above-sustainable-levels/
What do you suggest we do with the Danish people?  Have them eat cake? :) 

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« Reply #908 on: October 15, 2019, 11:51:42 am »

What do you suggest we do with the Danish people?  Have them eat cake? :)

Pastries.
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« Reply #909 on: October 15, 2019, 11:55:14 am »

Yum.  I love a nice Danish pastry.  Cheeze or blueberry.  Much better than sardines.

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« Reply #910 on: October 15, 2019, 01:50:01 pm »

Yum.  I love a nice Danish pastry.  Cheeze or blueberry.  Much better than sardines.

Yes, and that kind of food also lowers the pension payouts. Wholeheartedly endorsed by the government.
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« Reply #911 on: October 15, 2019, 03:36:30 pm »

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/14/rise-renewables-oil-firms-decades-earlier-think

Fossil fuels are a sunset industry.  Renewables are cheaper now and will be even cheaper in the future.

The video (scroll down) is damning.  The FFI boys knew what they were doing long ago, but they persisted. Because greed.
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« Reply #912 on: October 15, 2019, 06:52:09 pm »

Yes, and that kind of food also lowers the pension payouts. Wholeheartedly endorsed by the government.

That's the answer.  Government should issue coupons for free, delicious Danish pastries.  With people dying earlier, the decreasing population will need less fossil fuel lowering CO2 in the air and saving the planet.

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« Reply #913 on: October 15, 2019, 06:56:08 pm »

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/14/rise-renewables-oil-firms-decades-earlier-think

Fossil fuels are a sunset industry.  Renewables are cheaper now and will be even cheaper in the future.

The video (scroll down) is damning.  The FFI boys knew what they were doing long ago, but they persisted. Because greed.
But Peter,  since Germany now has 40% renewables, their electricity costs have skyrocketed costing 2 1/2 times what the average American pays .  And my town just negotiated an electricity contract with a new supplier for two years that will lower my costs another $150 over the 24 months. 

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« Reply #914 on: October 15, 2019, 10:36:01 pm »

Extrapolating the extremes - the humanity started when they were few people and many resources, and it will end up with many people and few resources.
Assuming anything else is just being conned into one huge pyramid scheme.

As I understand, it's the poor and undeveloped countries where populations increase the most. When countries develop and become more prosperous, with a rising middle class, the need for large families diminishes, and the population growth tends to stabilize or even fall, as in the case of Japan.

The problem with fossil fuels is not the CO2 emissions, but the real pollutants which produce unhealthy haze and smog, plus the fact that such fossil fuels will eventually become a scarce commodity as all the poor countries gradually progress towards a Western life style with electricity-consuming fridges and air-conditioners, and petrol-drive vehicles.

Being adaptive and innovative, so we can exploit all potential resources in a sensible and environmentally safe way, is the solution, and that solution should involve exploiting the benefits of CO2, by surrounding any coal-fired power plant with greenhouses, for example. After removal of the 'real' pollutants, the CO2 emissions could be funneled through dozens of greenhouses to increase crop growth, and/or wafted through new forests which have been planted around the coal-plant.

However, the solution should also include the development of renewable energy sources in order to prepare for a future scarcity of fossil fuels. Harnessing energy from the sun is a fantastic and brilliant idea, but not so smart if one covers large areas of fertile land with solar panels, which amounts to essentially destroying the environment and preventing the land being used for other purposes, such as agriculture or reforestation.

Solar panels, or films, or solar paint, are ideal for use on surfaces where the environment has already been destroyed, such as the roofs and walls of buildings, and arid regions such as deserts.

The main problem is, 'how do we get governments to prepare for a future scarcity of fossil fuels?' Any suggestions?  ;D
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« Reply #915 on: October 15, 2019, 11:01:37 pm »

Forty years ago, I had a family member who taught College Geology.  He told me then that we were running out of oil.  Since he said that, we made amazing strides in developing new fossil fuel resources including fracking and drilling in areas we couldn;t back then.  If the Arctic losses its ice, we'll have more areas to drill.  So I don;t think we'll run out of oil anytime soon.  Or natural gas.  Let's hope that technology will advance and someone will develop a more efficient solar cell, let's say ten or 100x what we have currently.  Now, imagine what we could do then?

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« Reply #916 on: October 15, 2019, 11:48:25 pm »

Forty years ago, I had a family member who taught College Geology.  He told me then that we were running out of oil.  Since he said that, we made amazing strides in developing new fossil fuel resources including fracking and drilling in areas we couldn;t back then.  If the Arctic losses its ice, we'll have more areas to drill.  So I don;t think we'll run out of oil anytime soon.  Or natural gas.  Let's hope that technology will advance and someone will develop a more efficient solar cell, let's say ten or 100x what we have currently.  Now, imagine what we could do then?

That seems unlikely, since newer solar cells are now about 20% efficient. Even 10X would make them 200% efficient, which, you know, would be tough. As somebody has pointed out, though, the 80% we don't get isn't exactly wasted, since it doesn't cost anything and doesn't hurt anything.
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« Reply #917 on: October 16, 2019, 12:49:03 am »

So I don't think we'll run out of oil anytime soon. 

That's true. My point is, it would not be wise to wait until a scarcity of fossil fuels becomes undeniable after significant increased usage and dependency on fossil fuels becomes entrenched, as the world economy develops. The development of solar technology, effective battery storage and electric vehicles, is a long and expensive process.

Many authorities claim that the generation of electricity from solar panels is now as efficient, in terms of cost, as electricity from fossil fuels, and that's encouraging. But such claims ignore the reliability factor. When the cost of battery storage is taken into consideration, to create reliability equal to the reliability of fossil fuels, the cost of solar energy is still more expensive.

Hopefully, there will be a break-through in battery technology which will make them more affordable, more durable, and less dependent on Lithium and rare earth metals which would eventually become a scarce commodity if alternative battery designs are not created.
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #918 on: October 16, 2019, 12:49:40 am »

Were they? You're just lucky that you are not one of the 821 million people suffering from hunger.

Global hunger continues to rise, new UN report says
821 million people now hungry and over 150 million children stunted, putting hunger eradication goal at risk

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/11-09-2018-global-hunger-continues-to-rise---new-un-report-says

Unfortunately in many regions, obesity and wrong type of food are today a greater health risk than hunger.



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"These numbers are frightening," says Roland Kupka of Unicef. "It's not just important that children do not go hungry, they also need to get the right food to grow without restrictions." Unicef's nutrition expert explains in an interview how hunger and nutrient deficiencies affect children. And why 40 million children have become overweight and thus become the new risk group.

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ernaehrung-von-kindern-fettleibigkeit-ist-gefaehrlicher-als-hunger-a-1291154.html
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #919 on: October 16, 2019, 04:27:33 am »

That's true. My point is, it would not be wise to wait until a scarcity of fossil fuels becomes undeniable after significant increased usage and dependency on fossil fuels becomes entrenched, as the world economy develops. The development of solar technology, effective battery storage and electric vehicles, is a long and expensive process.

Many authorities claim that the generation of electricity from solar panels is now as efficient, in terms of cost, as electricity from fossil fuels, and that's encouraging. But such claims ignore the reliability factor. When the cost of battery storage is taken into consideration, to create reliability equal to the reliability of fossil fuels, the cost of solar energy is still more expensive.

No, nothing is being ignored. The need for non-intermittent power generation remains, but this type of power generation will reduce the need for it. So there will be a net reduction of CO2-emissions.

Renewable Energy Intermittency Explained: Challenges, Solutions, and Opportunities
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/renewable-energy-intermittency-explained-challenges-solutions-and-opportunities/
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While the fact that wind and solar don’t produce energy around the clock is certainly a major disadvantage, I find that the problems associated with the intermittent nature of many renewables are often exaggerated, and rarely discussed from a practical perspective.
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