Brexit Encore

[Rob C]

You really haven't grasped the width and depth of what's happened with brexit.The bigger picture is seen when you look at the funding, it's not about breaking up the UK, that's just the consequential damage. It's more about damaging the EU and their economic and social power.

If you're right about the ultimate goal, the it leaves just Russia, China and the US as possible gainers in a weaker Europe.

So why do we have home-grown people subscribe to that? Are we seeing Kim Philby all over again?

Rob

[Rhossydd]

So why do we have home-grown people subscribe to that?

Because they will make huge amounts of money from it and they don't like the general European idea of doing what's best for most people.

[Alan Klein]

Accommodations on all sides will help everyone.

[Rob C]

Accommodations on all sides will help everyone.

Never Never Land.

Your guy wants to beat the rest into the mud. That's not trade, that's exported tyranny. He doesn't even try to hide it or be gracious about it: look at the banners and caps. It''s his ticket: fuck everybody else on the block.
 
Nice neighbour we got there, so when and where does your proposed accommodation begin? When the rest be in commercial genuflection?

Rob

[Alan Goldhammer]

Don't let facts get in the way, but the UK exports are some 39% to Europe, and 11% to the USA.
As far as imports go, something like 48% is coming from Europe, and 7.5% is coming from the USA.

Looks like the UK needs Europe more than anybody else and the reverse is also true.
That's why Brexit was a bad plan, but apparently such is life and shit happens ...

Cheers,
Bart

There was an article in the paper this weekend on the plight of Welsh sheep farmers who export most of their lamb to the EU.  A hard Brexit puts them out of business.  The US market for lamb won't make up for this.

[Alan Klein]

Never Never Land.

Your guy wants to beat the rest into the mud. That's not trade, that's exported tyranny. He doesn't even try to hide it or be gracious about it: look at the banners and caps. It''s his ticket: fuck everybody else on the block.
 
Nice neighbour we got there, so when and where does your proposed accommodation begin? When the rest be in commercial genuflection?

Rob

Yes, Trump is a hard negotiator. And he'll use America's purchasing power to our advantage.  But Europeans aren't Rubes.  Give me a break.  And, he's not stupid.  He's not crazy.  After all, didn't he make a deal with Mexico and Canada with a new trade agreement - USMCA replacing NAFTA?

[Rob C]

There was an article in the paper this weekend on the plight of Welsh sheep farmers who export most of their lamb to the EU.  A hard Brexit puts them out of business.  The US market for lamb won't make up for this.

In the grander scheme of things, it will bring home the emotional kick in the testes felt by Australia and New Zealand, two countries some expect to feel eternally grateful to us in Britain...

You could not make this stuff up. Yet, somebody did, and sold it.

Rob

[Rob C]

Yes, Trump is a hard negotiator. And he'll use America's purchasing power to our advantage.  But Europeans aren't Rubes.  Give me a break.  And, he's not stupid.  He's not crazy.  After all, didn't he make a deal with Mexico and Canada with a new trade agreement - USMCA replacing NAFTA?

Ah, Alan, your shifting sands are an eternal refuge.

[faberryman]

After all, didn't he make a deal with Mexico and Canada with a new trade agreement - USMCA replacing NAFTA?

He made a few changes around the edges. It is now bogged down in Senate committee and additional changes are being negotiated. It may never come to fruition, at least not in its current form. Big deal. Meanwhile, auto plants are shutting down and manufacturing in general continues to contract.

[Alan Klein]

There was an article in the paper this weekend on the plight of Welsh sheep farmers who export most of their lamb to the EU.  A hard Brexit puts them out of business.  The US market for lamb won't make up for this.

Why wouldn't Europe continue to buy Welsh lamb?  Isn't it tasty?  They buy lamb from New Zealand and Australia and South America which aren't part of the EU. Why wouldn't they continue to buy from Wales?  Don't the Welsh know how to trade and make deals?  Are they Rubes too? 
"EU imports account for 20% of the EU’s consumption. About 80% of EU imports of sheep meat originate in New Zealand followed by Australia and Mercosur countries."
https://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/sheep-goats_en

[Alan Klein]

Ah, Alan, your shifting sands are an eternal refuge.

I have no clue what you're talking about.  Please write more plainly.  I'm a simple man. 

[Alan Klein]

He made a few changes around the edges. It is now bogged down in Senate committee and additional changes are being negotiated. It may never come to fruition, at least not in its current form. Big deal. Meanwhile, auto plants are shutting down and manufacturing in general continues to contract.

So you just agreed with me against Rob.  Rob said Trump was impossible to negotiate with.  That he asks for too much.  That he wants to bury everyone else.  Yet you're saying the new NAFTA deal was not so onerous for Canada and Mexico.  Only changes around the edges.  So which is it?  Is Trump terrible or maybe he's not so bad.  You and ROb should get together to work out your mutual understandings about Trump. 

[faberryman]

So you just agreed with me against Rob.

You are delusional.

[jeremyrh]

Why wouldn't Europe continue to buy Welsh lamb?  Isn't it tasty?

Because of 40% tariffs.

[Alan Klein]

Because of 40% tariffs.

So how does New Zealand, Australian and South American  lamb get imported?  Isn't there a 40% tariff on their lamb too?  Meanwhile 80% of the imported lamb comes from these three areas outside the EU.

[Alan Klein]

You are delusional.

There you go again.  Whenever you run out of arguments or lose the point, you resort to name calling.

[jeremyrh]

So how does New Zealand, Australian and South American  lamb get imported?  Isn't there a 40% tariff on their lamb too?  Meanwhile 80% of the imported lamb comes from these three areas outside the EU.

Large scale cheaper production.

[faberryman]

There you go again.  Whenever you run out of arguments or lose the point, you resort to name calling.

Would it make you feel better if I said wildly mistaken instead of delusional?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Because of 40% tariffs.

Hence the jerk label 😉

[Chris Kern]

. . . it leaves just Russia, China and the US as possible gainers in a weaker Europe.

So why do we have home-grown people subscribe to that? Are we seeing Kim Philby all over again?

Hmmm.  Maybe that's why I have to keep fighting the urge to refer to BoJo as Boris Yeltsin.  And I thought it was just a Freudian slipski. . . .