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« Reply #60 on: October 27, 2014, 09:48:15 pm »

Yes, this is the new marketing buzz: The "ecosystem", the "invisibles", the "sum is larger than the parts".

Words trotted out by Apple regularly to justify the pricing of $1000 phones that cost $250 to make.

Of course, Apple have hired the world's most expensive marketers to burn these new memes into the consumer's brains, so it is normal to see other companies now piggyback on this technique.

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Thats part of the game. Put high quality components inside an ugly box and add poor marketing, sub par service and support and it wont sell well. Sure a lot of folks are gonna have some fun with the product but it will be eaten alive in the marketplace by other, more savvy manufacturers and it wont be a success.

How many products are a huge success thanks in great part to awesome design / packaging and marketing / advertising? As you know the list is very long.

The Main issue people have with PhaseOne is the price, at least in this and other forums and to a lesser degree the Phamiya body. (But one can use the Phase/Leaf backs on Hasselblad H cameras from the H1 (which I have), H2 and the newer H4x and H5x so that one has a solution) The IQ1 and IQ2 backs are superb digital backs. I don't think that is in question. All discussions fall back on the price issue.

And yes, the A7R, D800/E/810 and of course the 645z take hold of those discussions. But the 645z has the edge since it uses the same sensor as the Phase/Leaf/Hassy backs. So when you compare the cameras/backs with the same 50mp CMOS MF sensor ONLY in terms of price and sensor performance of course the 645z will beat down on all.

Never mind the lens options with the Phase/Leaf and Hassy are pretty extensive specially when you add tech camera lenses. So if a photographer wants leaf shutter lenses and/or tech camera capability plus great service and support then the Pentax does not work for them. If he/she doesnt then the Pentax is definitely worth looking at. Its great to have options.

Now that said let's talk larger CMOS sensor...

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« Reply #61 on: October 28, 2014, 07:20:15 am »

Hi - not read the whole thread yet, but just wanted to comment on this.

A Phase One representative commented at a public event that I was at, that there would be no FF CMOS back in 2015.

Kind regards,

Gerald.

Hello Hank

I feel that by mid to late 2015 Phase One will announce a full frame CMOS back, 60 to 90MP.  They actually may announce 2, one in the lower MP range, with greater pixel pitch, that "may" be more friendly to current tech lenses.  The other back will be the new MP king, as the 180/280 are now.

This may come out earlier than later, but it seems right now that Phase is working on the new camera body with Sony to replace the DF+, for which I have no interest, as I only use the tech camera in my work.  I know many many others can't wait and I am sure it will be a great solution.

Phase One has their new Alpa partnership so I am sure there will a new Phase One branded tech solution out there also, by early 2015, again as I use Arca, I have no interest here and still find that announcement rather a limiting statement by Phase One.

The next generation may even be superior to what is being seen from the current CMOS 250/150/Credo 50, and those files for my liking are excellent.  The current 50MP Phase has all I really need, but the the 1:3 crop is significant to me, and current upgrades from Phase are not very financially attractive, (from a 260 to 250 or Credo 50).  Actually I seem to prefer the leaf color on the Credo 50, but I don't like the non Value add warranty offerings from Leaf. 

I base the above statement on the results I am seeing from my Nikon D810, which hands down preforms much better than my D800e, in overall DR recovered. 

2015/16 will be exciting, however the elephant in the room is how much will the cost be, to move to the full frame CMOS Phase One backs.  I also don't feel that this round of chip development will have the same access to others, like Pentax or Hasselbald, but that is just my 2 cents worth.

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« Reply #62 on: October 28, 2014, 03:54:58 pm »

Ken,

Ok, I agree. Phase One customers deserve to use the worst MF body on the market because they are actually insisting on fitting a tech camera back to their film-vintage SLR body :)

You know, if I want a 50MP CMOS tech cam back, Hasselblad sell one for $10K or so (Japanese pricing). I can get that*and* a Pentax 645Z and still have $15K leftover from the price of a Phamiya, which should be more than enough to buy or rent a backup 35mm system for emergencies. And most of here do agree that a 35mm system with 39MP is a good enough backup for a 50MP MF solution.

As for "good dealers", well personal experience indicates that you can have snotty waiters at high priced restaurants and snotty dealers selling expensive cameras. Doug and Steve  are nice but their qualities do not necessarily carry over magically to the rest of the Phase dealer network.

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« Reply #63 on: October 29, 2014, 08:25:00 pm »

Yes, the H forums are closed, so one never gets to see what their workflow advantages and issues might be.

On the good side, they don't astroturf here :)

Edmund

Edmund I think you are referring to my forum which is owned and run by me not Hasselblad.
The forum grew out of a Yahoo group I started in 2001 to help fellow (then Imacon) users. The reason is it closed is because members want it that way and it means we don't have to put up with the internet :)
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« Reply #64 on: October 29, 2014, 08:38:15 pm »

Ken,

Ok, I agree. Phase One customers deserve to use the worst MF body on the market because they are actually insisting on fitting a tech camera back to their film-vintage SLR body :)

You know, if I want a 50MP CMOS tech cam back, Hasselblad sell one for $10K or so (Japanese pricing). I can get that*and* a Pentax 645Z and still have $15K leftover from the price of a Phamiya, which should be more than enough to buy or rent a backup 35mm system for emergencies. And most of here do agree that a 35mm system with 39MP is a good enough backup for a 50MP MF solution.

As for "good dealers", well personal experience indicates that you can have snotty waiters at high priced restaurants and snotty dealers selling expensive cameras. Doug and Steve  are nice but their qualities do not necessarily carry over magically to the rest of the Phase dealer network.

Edmund

A PhaseOne/Leaf Dealer must have really done a number on you.

So far my MF Digital experience has been boringly drama free. I got the stuff it works and keeps working. I have not tinkered with anything and even got an old Hasselblad H1 and the back works with it perfectly. Did not and have not updated firmware on anything. Guess ive been lucky.

Guess the euro dealer network is not up to snuff or at least it is not consistent and experience vary wildly from dealer to dealer and customer to customer. 
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« Reply #65 on: October 29, 2014, 08:50:41 pm »

A PhaseOne/Leaf Dealer must have really done a number on you.

So far my MF Digital experience has been boringly drama free. I got the stuff it works and keeps working. I have not tinkered with anything and even got an old Hasselblad H1 and the back works with it perfectly. Did not and have not updated firmware on anything. Guess ive been lucky.

Guess the euro dealer network is not up to snuff or at least it is not consistent and experience vary wildly from dealer to dealer and customer to customer. 

Truth.

I have encountered more shitty dealers for nikon than the ones I got my Leaf gear from.
It's funny, thousands of artists make amazing imagery with this "vintage film era body". Hell, some even use glorified pieces of metal otherwise known as tech cameras.

If there are those who can't manage to produce anything worthwhile with those, maybe it's time to look at themselves as the weakest link. Doesn't cost a cent to upgrade that.
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« Reply #66 on: October 29, 2014, 09:52:48 pm »

I have encountered more shitty dealers for nikon than the ones I got my Leaf gear from.

What were your unfulfilled expectations if I may ask?

My Nikon dealer has been Amazon.co.jp and my expectation is to get a box shipped to the right address. I have had 100% succes so far. ;)

On the other hand, what did your Leaf dealer do to please you?

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« Reply #67 on: October 29, 2014, 10:52:23 pm »

Perhaps everyone just needs to agree that outside of the major centres, the Phase / Hasselblad / Leaf / Leica  support and dealer network is, generally speaking, very, very patchy. We're talking about highly specialised tools and in most places there isn't enough demand to justify the specialist training and investment in product needed for dealers to do the tools justice. In the U.S., who are lucky to have CI and DT (for example) things look good. I guess the same can be said for Pro Centre in London? For those that live far away from such places, Phase One's dogmatic stance on having to deal with their dealer network is actually a real disadvantage. In my country for example, I refuse to buy anything from the Phase / Leaf "dealers". They are the absolute worst company to deal with, both in terms of service and also pricing. Hasselblad is much better represented in this regard.

In essence, when I eventually do buy my DMF back – which will hopefully be in the next four months – I will most likely import something. This is not ideal, especially because I don't have the chance to demo anything and will just have to take a punt. It's not ideal for after sales support, either.

Sorry this post took things off topic, but I guess it's been that way for around two pages of posts already?
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« Reply #68 on: October 29, 2014, 11:19:26 pm »

+1
I entirely agree.
It's clear that CI and DT justify their markup. Others? as you say ...

Edmund

Perhaps everyone just needs to agree that outside of the major centres, the Phase / Hasselblad / Leaf / Leica  support and dealer network is, generally speaking, very, very patchy. We're talking about highly specialised tools and in most places there isn't enough demand to justify the specialist training and investment in product needed for dealers to do the tools justice. In the U.S., who are lucky to have CI and DT (for example) things look good. I guess the same can be said for Pro Centre in London? For those that live far away from such places, Phase One's dogmatic stance on having to deal with their dealer network is actually a real disadvantage. In my country for example, I refuse to buy anything from the Phase / Leaf "dealers". They are the absolute worst company to deal with, both in terms of service and also pricing. Hasselblad is much better represented in this regard.

In essence, when I eventually do buy my DMF back – which will hopefully be in the next four months – I will most likely import something. This is not ideal, especially because I don't have the chance to demo anything and will just have to take a punt. It's not ideal for after sales support, either.

Sorry this post took things off topic, but I guess it's been that way for around two pages of posts already?

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« Reply #69 on: October 29, 2014, 11:27:43 pm »

+1
I entirely agree.
It's clear that CI and DT justify their markup. Others? as you say ...

Edmund



That is a serious issue Phase has to deal with then. Pronto.

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« Reply #70 on: October 30, 2014, 02:11:48 am »

Hi,

That rises an interesting issue. Are MFD-s really more demanding than DSLRs? I have not bought anything except a Velbon tripod from a dealer since 1985. I don't think my P45+ is more complex than any of my Sony cameras. The manual is probably a bit better than average on the P45+.

Now, I understand that integration with technical cameras needs some advice, for instance. Something I also understand that sometimes there are firmware issues with cameras, that may need expertise to resolve. I have heard about some cameras locking up with some lenses. Many of those issues can be resolved with a Norwegian Reset.

I had little experience in dealing with dealers. One of the Phase One dealers here in Sweden is the leading mail order store in Sweden. When I bought my P45+ (used from Poland) I found out that viewfinder masks were not included. So I checked Phase One website, found that mentioned mail order house was dealer for Phase One. They were very helpful, but could not understand why I needed a view finder mask for Hasselblad. They also suggested I buy it from Hasselblad. But they referred me to another dealer, D3Image and they were promptly sent an open box package at half the price. Since that I complained about a broken sync cable, and D3image again provided excellent service, new cable in the mailbox next day).

Best regards
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Ps. For people (un)fortunate enough to live outside Sweden, a Norwegian Reset is the equivalent of pulling the power plug. Just a myth of course…




What were your unfulfilled expectations if I may ask?

My Nikon dealer has been Amazon.co.jp and my expectation is to get a box shipped to the right address. I have had 100% succes so far. ;)

On the other hand, what did your Leaf dealer do to please you?

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #71 on: October 30, 2014, 11:19:37 am »

Hi Eric:

A bit of information on the flip side:

I have worked with MFD since March of 2008.  In that time I have used the P45+, 160 and now 260.  I feel that there is more complexity between the DSLR's I have or have owned and the MFD backs.   A few more thoughts.

1.  In the US, it's very hard, if not impossible to contact Phase One directly, with either a warranty or support issue.  They are based in Millville NY, however when problems arise, it's not easy to contact them.  The dealer channel is the preferred route, maybe only route.

2.  Each of my backs, has had issues, that needed service. To initiate this service, even though I had a value add warranty, I still needed to contact my dealer.  I have used both DT and CI in the U.S. 

3.  My P45+, had several issue, but the most severe was the fact that it could not reach a 1 hour exposure without a controller card update.  Even though I was under warranty, trust me, getting Phase One to admit to this openly was not easy.  I actually needed support from 2 US dealers to get the process rolling and even then the process took 4 months to complete.  Was I satisfied at the finish, yes, I was.  But without dealer support to get Phase One to make the repair process possible, it would not have happened.  My P45+ also needed several re-calibrations to be done, and I had to column readout errors, that had to be mapped out.  So in the 3.5 years I owned it, I had at least 6 service issues. 

4.  My  IQ160, only had 1 issue, and that was a tiling re-calibration.  I was able to work with my dealer CI, to fix the issue but the back still had to back to Phase One. 

5.  My 260, has had one huge issue, created when I sent the back in to have the top plate replaced.  The WiFi tops, on the IQ2 backs are plastic, to allow the signal to pass through.  Early IQ2 backs, this plate would release over time and raise up.  I also had an issue where my IQ260 would get condensation inside the LCD, especially if I used the back on a cold morning, and bright sunlight warmed the LCD.  Both repairs were under the value add, and I sent in the back.  When I received the 260, back from Phase One, the calibration was totally off, I could not shoot anything even at iso 50, without blowing the highlights, to total pink. I knew this was not the way the back should work and it happened right at the end of the year, in the week between Christmas and New Years.  Phase One
's push back was that I was doing something wrong since I was using a "tech" camera.  Of course I knew this was wrong, and I knew what the back should do, in the conditions it was being shot in.  I was able to show Phase One that the same behavior happened when using a DF body and 35mm Mamiya lens,  but I still had to get a lot of push into Phase One to get them to fix the issue.  The fact that Phase One was blaming the "tech" camera and was implying that I didn't have any knowledge of the both the camera and process still gives me a bit of consternation.

Just think about this situation, you have a 39K back, sent in for a simple top fix.  It comes back with a new top, but totally blowing out highlights, and not useable.  Who are you going to call?    It's not a good feeling.  And shipping around a bunch of raw files is not an easy process even on high speed internet which at the time I did not have.   

My 260 also has had to have one tiling re-calibration (something the P45+ did not need due to chip).

I guess my point to be made is, the backs work well, but when something does go wrong, it's a bit harder to engage in the repair process.  When the "repair" comes back worse than the original condition as with my 260, then you really get a feeling of hopelessness.  Having a dealer to get in the middle and make a few calls to get Phase One back on track is very important.  The repairs when needed tend to me more complex than a fix to a DSLR, that goes back to Nikon or Canon.  Each MFD back is unique in it's calibration, and I feel if put 2 side by side, each will shoot a bit differently.  Not true with a Nikon D810.  There is just more to tweak on the backs.  This is how I see it.  Phase One has a working model in place, but (at least in the US), it's very important to have a Phase One dealer that can get involved.  I don't know how this model works in the rest of the world, i.e. Europe, Asia, etc. 

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« Reply #72 on: October 30, 2014, 05:02:13 pm »

Hi,

You story seems quite a bit similar to Anders Torger's experience with his back, except that he didn't find a good dealer.


Best regards
Erik

Hi Eric:

A bit of information on the flip side:

I have worked with MFD since March of 2008.  In that time I have used the P45+, 160 and now 260.  I feel that there is more complexity between the DSLR's I have or have owned and the MFD backs.   A few more thoughts.

1.  In the US, it's very hard, if not impossible to contact Phase One directly, with either a warranty or support issue.  They are based in Millville NY, however when problems arise, it's not easy to contact them.  The dealer channel is the preferred route, maybe only route.

2.  Each of my backs, has had issues, that needed service. To initiate this service, even though I had a value add warranty, I still needed to contact my dealer.  I have used both DT and CI in the U.S. 

3.  My P45+, had several issue, but the most severe was the fact that it could not reach a 1 hour exposure without a controller card update.  Even though I was under warranty, trust me, getting Phase One to admit to this openly was not easy.  I actually needed support from 2 US dealers to get the process rolling and even then the process took 4 months to complete.  Was I satisfied at the finish, yes, I was.  But without dealer support to get Phase One to make the repair process possible, it would not have happened.  My P45+ also needed several re-calibrations to be done, and I had to column readout errors, that had to be mapped out.  So in the 3.5 years I owned it, I had at least 6 service issues. 

4.  My  IQ160, only had 1 issue, and that was a tiling re-calibration.  I was able to work with my dealer CI, to fix the issue but the back still had to back to Phase One. 

5.  My 260, has had one huge issue, created when I sent the back in to have the top plate replaced.  The WiFi tops, on the IQ2 backs are plastic, to allow the signal to pass through.  Early IQ2 backs, this plate would release over time and raise up.  I also had an issue where my IQ260 would get condensation inside the LCD, especially if I used the back on a cold morning, and bright sunlight warmed the LCD.  Both repairs were under the value add, and I sent in the back.  When I received the 260, back from Phase One, the calibration was totally off, I could not shoot anything even at iso 50, without blowing the highlights, to total pink. I knew this was not the way the back should work and it happened right at the end of the year, in the week between Christmas and New Years.  Phase One
's push back was that I was doing something wrong since I was using a "tech" camera.  Of course I knew this was wrong, and I knew what the back should do, in the conditions it was being shot in.  I was able to show Phase One that the same behavior happened when using a DF body and 35mm Mamiya lens,  but I still had to get a lot of push into Phase One to get them to fix the issue.  The fact that Phase One was blaming the "tech" camera and was implying that I didn't have any knowledge of the both the camera and process still gives me a bit of consternation.

Just think about this situation, you have a 39K back, sent in for a simple top fix.  It comes back with a new top, but totally blowing out highlights, and not useable.  Who are you going to call?    It's not a good feeling.  And shipping around a bunch of raw files is not an easy process even on high speed internet which at the time I did not have.   

My 260 also has had to have one tiling re-calibration (something the P45+ did not need due to chip).

I guess my point to be made is, the backs work well, but when something does go wrong, it's a bit harder to engage in the repair process.  When the "repair" comes back worse than the original condition as with my 260, then you really get a feeling of hopelessness.  Having a dealer to get in the middle and make a few calls to get Phase One back on track is very important.  The repairs when needed tend to me more complex than a fix to a DSLR, that goes back to Nikon or Canon.  Each MFD back is unique in it's calibration, and I feel if put 2 side by side, each will shoot a bit differently.  Not true with a Nikon D810.  There is just more to tweak on the backs.  This is how I see it.  Phase One has a working model in place, but (at least in the US), it's very important to have a Phase One dealer that can get involved.  I don't know how this model works in the rest of the world, i.e. Europe, Asia, etc. 

Paul

     
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« Reply #73 on: October 30, 2014, 08:39:02 pm »

Reading what you write Paul, I wonder is the lack of local support for the 645Z in the US is a real problem.

Seems like you had in total weeks if not months of downtime with your backs between the shipping back and forth to Denmark,...

I would expect the 645Z to be much closer to a D810 in terms of initial defect occurrence (meaning basically never) and in the rare case where you do have a problem, it is likely that the turn around time may not be significanylu longer even if it has to be shipped back to Japan. Plus it is so much cheaper to get a back up that downtime would in fact not even happen (either a second Z or an second hand D).

Overall, your story confirms my impression that the actual comparative downside resulting from the lack of local Pentax pro-support in the US is way over-emphasized.

I am of course aware that the Pentax doesn't offer the off camera back option and is therefore not suitable for your needs. This is more a general comment.

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« Reply #74 on: October 30, 2014, 09:09:56 pm »

Reading what you write Paul, I wonder is the lack of local support for the 645Z in the US is a real problem.

Seems like you had in total weeks if not months of downtime with your backs between the shipping back and forth to Denmark,...

I would expect the 645Z to be much closer to a D810 in terms of initial defect occurrence (meaning basically never) and in the rare case where you do have a problem, it is likely that the turn around time may not be significanylu longer even if it has to be shipped back to Japan. Plus it is so much cheaper to get a back up that downtime would in fact not even happen (either a second Z or an second hand D).

Overall, your story confirms my impression that the actual comparative downside resulting from the lack of local Pentax pro-support in the US is way over-emphasized.

I am of course aware that the Pentax doesn't offer the off camera back option and is therefore not suitable for your needs. This is more a general comment.

Cheers,
Bernard


Hi Bernard.

Actually I was never down as I had a value add warranty each time so I had a loaner back of equal or greater resolution. 

I am a fan of the Value add warranty for sure. My points were hopefully to point out that the MF backs can have problems and if they do they are more than likely going to need to be serviced by Phase One. But Phase One does not have a 1-800 type service center, instead they rely on a dealer to be the interface. At least in the US.

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« Reply #75 on: October 30, 2014, 10:08:36 pm »

Hi Bernard.

Actually I was never down as I had a value add warranty each time so I had a loaner back of equal or greater resolution. 

I am a fan of the Value add warranty for sure. My points were hopefully to point out that the MF backs can have problems and if they do they are more than likely going to need to be serviced by Phase One. But Phase One does not have a 1-800 type service center, instead they rely on a dealer to be the interface. At least in the US. 

I understand, thank you Paul.

So I guess that what needs to be compared is the cost of this value added warranty to the cost of back up in the Pentax world (currently 4000 US$ for a mint second hand 645D). ;)

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« Reply #76 on: October 31, 2014, 06:30:16 am »

Few photographers carry more than one medium format camera/back for emergencies.

Probably should, I have multiple of bout everything, (gut then I'm keep stuff forever and am somewhat obsessive).

But using a backup D for a Z is not the best plan if you work professionally, as the D doesn't tether, has a small buffer.

In fact If I was predisposed to own a z (I'm not) I'd just carry a 35mm cmos system and have more range, less costs and pretty much the same look as the z files.

But I'm curious, of all the proponents posting about the Z how many actually plan to buy one?

IMO

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« Reply #77 on: October 31, 2014, 06:51:46 am »


But I'm curious, of all the proponents posting about the Z how many actually plan to buy one?

IMO

BC

J,

The strange thing is that a bunch of people here seem to own one already, as we're seeing the shots and reports.

The Z is certainly making faster inroads into this forum than the S, although there seems to be little marketing money behind it.

What was weird was this 645D prototype which was shown around under glass at trade shows for years, declared to be cancelled, then "in review", and then suddenly the completely dead Pentax system came back to life - and people started buying them and they actually worked, and a second model got made. It makes one think that Contax and Rollei could also have been revived.

Phase/Leaf could probably sell zillions of $7K backs to Contax and Rollei owners who have a cupboard full of glass, but they want to kill those systems dead in the hope that some of those owners will one day buy Mamiya. Which they won't because Mercedes drivers don't enjoy the idea of getting a Chevy.

And it does make one think that price matters, in spite of what Synn and Doug say. Is it a coincidence that the only new body is also the cheapest one at that spec by a wide margin?

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Re: MULTIPLE CMOS RUMORS......
« Reply #78 on: October 31, 2014, 07:11:29 am »

Just saw this.  http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/30/technology/sony/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

I did not realize how bad Sony was doing; is the chip manufacturing still controlled by Sony proper, or is it a spin off now? 

If it is still owned by Sony proper, it might be a stretch to think they are investing a large amount of money to develop a full 645 chip that very very few people would use. 

However who knows?  Maybe they will sell that devision too; it would be very valuable to say Dalsa or Truesense.  (But I would prefer Dalsa, they seem to be the better innovator between the two.) 
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Re: MULTIPLE CMOS RUMORS......
« Reply #79 on: October 31, 2014, 07:15:14 am »

Just saw this.  http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/30/technology/sony/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

I did not realize how bad Sony was doing; is the chip manufacturing still controlled by Sony proper, or is it a spin off now?  

If it is still owned by Sony proper, it might be a stretch to think they are investing a large amount of money to develop a full 645 chip that very very few people would use.  

However who knows?  Maybe they will sell that devision too; it would be very valuable to say Dalsa or Truesense.  (But I would prefer Dalsa, they seem to be the better innovator between the two.)  

AFAIK Sony practically own the camera sensor chip market now. This division has seen huge growth, and is one of Sony's rare profit centers.

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