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carlsgems

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« on: November 22, 2005, 05:54:13 pm »

I am new to digital slrs, I have the e-1 and recenting seen the canon 20d, is there any reson to upgrade to the higher megapixel for general shooting, is the 20d a better camera
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2005, 12:44:17 am »

If you need more pixels and better high iso, sure.  If you need a weather sealed body not so much.

Everything else is a matter of opinion.

More pixels are usually better for landscape photography, tho.  But then you might want the 5D or that 12.4mp nikon instead.

If you have 4/3s lenses have you considered the E-500?

Isn't MR something of a pariah over in DP Review's Oly forums for his 4/3 system opinions?

(I have an odd desire to buy some 20 year old pentax primes and their cheap DSLR for reasons I don't fully understand.  I suspect it is a reaction to my conviction that soon it will be Canon, Nikon and Konica-Minolta-Olympus-Pentax-Hyundai as the only camera makers and choice will start to become limited.)
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2005, 03:17:01 pm »

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Unless your current E-1 is giving you problems, I would recommend waiting until the round of announcements at and just before the next PMA event in February 2006. Spring is also a good time for rebates.

Olympus has announced that they will be announcing new models at PMA 2006,  related to their new partnership with Panasonic. This seems to be a bigger step than the recent E-500 announcement, which did not get pre-announced in the same way. A successor to the 20D is also widely expected relatively soon, and again PMA is a natural time to expect some such announcements: it seems too late now for any more "Christmas season" releases.
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2005, 11:33:59 pm »

Thanks for the info. The E-1 takes good pitures but the only thing lacking is cropping to get what I want out of the picture. at the megapixels I am at I do not get the sharpness I need. I have a different lenses and the om adapter plus the flash and I checked into trading it in on the 20d and was quoted a little over $600 for trade for a body only. I guess I will look into a extention tube to get macro shots for the type of pictures I need to take. The gut feeling after seeing what is out there, the  make of the camera is so solid the others do not seem the same. I am confused by reading the different reviews with the reviews on the E-1 are dated and not current with the new crop.
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2005, 12:04:03 am »

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Thanks for the info. The E-1 takes good pitures but the only thing lacking is cropping to get what I want out of the picture. at the megapixels I am at I do not get the sharpness I need. I have a different lenses and the om adapter plus the flash and I checked into trading it in on the 20d and was quoted a little over $600 for trade for a body only.
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I took a bit of a hit selling my E-1. I'm #1 on the list for a D200 at my local shop. The toughest things about leaving the Oly system are:

1) Losing the colour.
2) Losing the ergonomics.
3) Losing the discrete shutter noise
4) And, ironically, losing the noise quality.

I know this is weird to say, but the noise on E-1 is a special sort of noise. The chroma noise is more gritty than globby, making it very easy to fix up. The luma noise is not so good, but once you take the chroma out and print the picture, I think it's very comparable to the 10D (shot that for a very frustrating, bug-ridden year).

Don't write the camera off just yet. For me, the D200 makes good sense primarily because of the frame rate and flash system (I shoot weddings and portraits too).

If it doesn't give you the resolution you think you need, grab a medium format cam (cheap used prices these days) and shoot that, using your E-1 to test exposure, framing etc.

Have fun out there. If you get down on your gear, flip through a few professional portfolios online and come up with a new style, subject, or technique. That's way more important than the camera you're using.
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2005, 11:17:44 am »

I am by no means a pro a taking pictures. I just enjoy getting that right shot from nature or on vacation or when getting together with friends and family. I had a baby bluejay in my back yard and got a picture that was great from a distance and when I cropped it to get the perfect frame(gulp)fuzzy resolution. It was on par with the angry bluebird shot. Capturing some shots sometime happen by chance. I wish Olympus had away to upgrade the sensors for their cameras. The E-1 would be great with higher pixel count. I think the I will wait to see whats around the corner because it is more than likely who is using the equipment then the equipment.
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2005, 07:26:44 am »

In answer to the 20D vs E-1 question, I would have to say that the E-1 is a much better CAMERA.  It has a professional feel and features that make it comparable to the 1D series from Canon.  Obviously though in the digital age the camera is also the sensor, and the E-1 with it's "meagre" 5mp is getting a bit long in the tooth..  That said, I would rather suggest waiting for the D200 from Nikon, which effectively doubles your resolution from 5 to 10mpixels, while retaining similar body quality than going for the 20D from Canon.  Even so the E-1 still has an edge over the Nikon in terms of pro features, such as the eyepiece shutter for long exposure photography, and a very large viewfinder for a 2x crop camera.

Other option is to wait for the 20D's replacement, due out in February 2006 and probably with a 10mpixel chip, again doubling your resolution.  It will be cheaper than the Nikon, probably around $1300, and the $500 difference will buy you a decent lens.  HOWEVER keep in mind that Canon's consumer range of cameras, though they have excellent image sensors and create very good hi res images, have a build quality is somewhat lacking, especially compared to the E-1.  I am hoping that Canon will address this in their next offering, but am seriously doubtful..  Were I the owner of an E-1.. and were I not satisfied with the resolution.. and I didn't have a significant investment in 4/3rds lenses.. I might go for the D200 which offers similar quality, a jump in resolution and access to some world-class lenses.. I retain the advantage of the crop factor, and wide angle is possible with newer ultra-wide lenses built for this sensor.. I do not feel cheated in body quality, and have resolution to spare..

Last option is to see what Olympus have up their sleeves.. An E-1 replacement should be in the cards at some stage, and seeing as the E-300 and E-500 already sport 8mp sensors, you might get a 10mpixel in the "E-2".. It really depends all on how much money you have invested in 4/3rds lenses, which will ultimately swing your decision to stay with Oly or go to someone else.  I personally admire the courage of Olympus in going for a totally new digital design, and really like the design and quality of the E-1, notwithstanding some of the criticisms that MR has (rightly.. but perhaps a bit too heavily) levelled at it.  Will 4/3rds be around in another 5 years...  Who knows.. but if it works for you and you're happy with it.. then wait around at least till PMA and PHotokina to find out what the future holds..

As for me... I was a 20D owner and so I opted for a 5D full frame camera instead.. and have the advantage of FF instead.. and do not regret that decision! Good luck for your decision.
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2005, 09:05:39 am »

Thanks jd1566. I appretiate the reply to my post. I have enjoyed the E-1 and the build quality is top notch. I have more than likely let all the reviews get in my head. I have a nice setup for my needs, the stock 14-45mm and a 55-200mm sigma with a om adapter for om lenses. I quess we all wonder is there something better, there is at a price. From most of the responses the Canon 20D is not enough of a upgrade from what I have and it is better to wait to see what is coming in 2006. I have a canon rebel 6.3mp with three lenses and the olmpus E-1 with three lenses, I was hoping to stick with one or the other when I upgrade to a higher megapixels.

Is the Nikon D200 going to be able to use older Nikon lenses like the canon sell on being to use the older lenses from prior cameras? From what I read this is going to be a nice camera for the money. It would be great if it drove the price if the 5D to a price within amatuers price range.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2005, 08:06:46 am »

Can I suggest that the problem lies with your lenses?  I've not used either of them so I can't really comment on there quality, however, I have an E1 with the 14-54 and it is sharper than a razorblade.  

I bought the camera for 2 reasons, firstly, it reminded me of the EOS 1 I had stolen.  Someone jumped on it when it fell from my hands at a gig - kept working.  The other was the price of lenses - the Olympus pro glass is about half that of Canon's (well, maybe not those F2 lenses.)

The 14-45 lets in less light than my dark room - is it the slowest std lense ever made?!  The Sigma lense may well be better.

Recently, I've been using my friend's 350D with 18-55 std canon lense.  You might have this on your digital rebel - it's horrid - can't cope with straight lines.  I'm assuming the 14-45 is around this quality or slightly better.  Her Sigma 70-300 was better than I expected.

Can I ask a question though?  Do you REALLY need more MP?  You aren't a pro and therefore I assume you aren't enlarging more than A3 on a regular basis.  The e1 does this great out of the box - unless you are cropping.  

If you need to do this, use Genuine Fractals or something.  The huge outlay on a few more MP is ultimately a complete waste if you don't have lenses that can resolve what the chip can.  

Oh, and if your cropping, then you should have got closer or used a longer lense in the first place!

Psst! rumour has it that Panasonic will be releasing a pro spec 4/3rds body with anti shake.  Oh, and Leica make panasonic's lenses.....and do you know anyone with one of those Leica bolt on computer-camera-things?  Thought not...........

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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2005, 12:35:57 am »

I am still at the stage of trying to grasp the photography hobby. It seems alot of the post are from pros. I am a goldsmith by trade and started to take my own shots of some of my work with a canon AE1 and enjoyed the trial and error of this art. It seems to take alot of frames to get a few that you are happy with in all aspects of this work. I do not have a clue about the lense aspect but I know in my work that optics does have a play in equipment for gem ID. A pro microscope is in the thousands with leica optics. I quess this goes with camera lenses as well. I do some cropping with my E-1 but not alot. I think I have been swamied by the some of the post about some of the equipment. I should learn to get the best from what I have. The info on the forum is really great with many of different views on insight for someone trying to get a grip on where things are going and one main thing that can not be bought that we all pay for is the tuition of life, trial and error and things we care to share just for the pure joy of what we have experienced. This is the forum
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