H5D-50c Wi-Fi announcement

[ynp]

There was no untethered multishot with Hasselblad.

Sorry. I am struggling with my English and I meant that in one shot mode the Hasselblad MS backs allowed untethered shooting.

[ynp]

He never said there was... he only said "there was untethered shooting (ability)" from Hasselblad , which is true. In fact I use such a back myself.

EDIT: He also meant (without saying it) that he would buy a 50MS or 200MS on the spot... but Hasselblad won't sell him one! ...same happens with me actually... and some thousands of others.  

That is correct. I have allocated the funds for the upgrade. I talked to Sinar and Hasselblad on the show. Hasselblad were not very interested in a Russian customer. I was on their stand on Saturday. I was unable to find a person who was ready to talk about the MS backs. Maybe I should have visited them on Friday, when they had more reps there.

Edit: I believe I will get a solution from Leica/Sinar sooner. Leica listen to the customers, created a several clear lines of product and do not promote Lunars etc. alongside the pro equipment. I use the S2 with my Contax Makro for a lot of copying work when I am too lazy to use my 16-shot Sinarback on a view camera. I will cope with my two systems. But in the ideal world, I would like to have one digiback for my MF and view cameras.

[Theodoros]

That is correct. I have allocated the funds for the upgrade. I talked to Sinar and Hasselblad on the show. Hasselblad were not very interested in a Russian customer. In was on their stand on Saturday. I was unable to find a person who was ready to talk about MS backs. Maybe I should have visited them on Friday, when they had more reps there.

I believe that Sinar will soon have a "real" LV MFDB based on Leica's new (CMos) sensor (for MS) soon... I guess Hassy "masterminds" still won't care... they don't even care for the "revolution" that the new Arca Universalis brings to the market... Which will allow C645 owners to use their lenses for DSLR (via Leica S), for MF and with view camera all the same... even for MS with the view camera (gone my beloved Fuji GX680 has...)... Hassy just don't care....

[NickT]

Sorry. I am struggling with my English and I meant that in one shot mode the Hasselblad MS backs allowed untethered shooting.

Your English is vastly better than my Russian. No offence intended I just wanted to avoid any new users thinking they could shoot MS un-tethrered.

Regards
Nick-T

[ynp]

Your English is vastly better than my Russian. No offence intended I just wanted to avoid any new users thinking they could shoot MS un-tethrered.

Regards
Nick-T

Thank you.
I understood.

Yevgeny

[bcooter]

Edmund,

I appreciate your contributions, find your writing very interesting and think your a great addition to this or any other forum.

You just happened to have a viewpoint  and  quote that I wanted to respond to.

I just think this forum  for a long time has a hasselblad negative vibe which started when Hasselblad decided to sell their all in one systems.

At the time I didn't agree with that decision, today, in an over regulated, everybody's opinion rules world, I find it well within their rights to do so.

______________________

The Lunar.   Man how everyone loves to bring that up, though the Stella McCarney Canon camera bag is never mentioned, the many Leica exotic animal skinned versions have been forgotten along with a bunch of gold edition nikons.



That doesn't mean the Lunar was a good idea, at least not for anyone I know, but that also doesn't mean Hasselblad is down the tubes.

I do know this.

With all the cameras I own, none of them exactly do everything I want, or I wouldn't own different brands.

But in the end, the buyer, the free market will make the final decision.

IMO

BC

[eronald]

J,

 I think Hassies are great cameras, really I do. I am just starting to hate all the marketing strategists in photography as much as I hate the guys who shave inches off airplane seats to make coach so horrible that you give in and fly business.

 Anyway, I think it's toy time. Here is one that will appeal to you - The Sonderoptics Leica  to PL mount conversion

Edmund

Edmund,

I just think this forum  for a long time has a hasselblad negative vibe which started when Hasselblad decided to sell their all in one systems.

At the time I didn't agree with that decision, today, in an over regulated, everybody's opinion rules world, I find it well within their rights to do so.

______________________

The Lunar.   Man how everyone loves to bring that up, though the Stella McCarney Canon camera bag is never mentioned, the many Leica exotic animal skinned versions have been forgotten along with a bunch of gold edition nikons.

[Theodoros]

Your English is vastly better than my Russian. No offence intended I just wanted to avoid any new users thinking they could shoot MS un-tethrered.

Regards
Nick-T

The man said that he is using a 54H in his post... Sooo, i guess calling him a "new user" is offensive enough...

EDIT: ...in your later post (which followed the one that you've "put words in his mouth" he never said).

[Jim Kasson]

I was excited by this announcement. Still am, in fact. The lack of in-camera live view was holding me back, in spite of owning a bunch of H-series lenses. But I'm a little worried. I own an Imacon Precision II scanner. It has a SCSI interface, now obsolete. When Imacon came out with the Precision III, which had a FireWire interface in addition to higher resolution, they offered an upgrade to the Precision III to Precision II customers.

I bit.

The kit consisted of a firmware upgrade, a third-party FireWire to SCSI converter, and a stick-on rubber thingy with a “III” on it to go over the “II” on the scanner. Since I’d paid a couple of thousand bucks for the upgrade, I wasn’t very happy. It seemed like the only thing of value was the firmware upgrade.

Years later, I realized what a truly lousy deal it was. Imacon stopped supporting the SCSI-based scanners in their new software. But I was covered, right? Nope. They still supported real Flextight Precision III’s, but not Precision II’s that had been made into Precision III’s through their upgrade process. They froze the driver for my scanner at a version that ran on Windows XP, but on no newer operating system.

Now Windows XP is riding off into the sunset.

If I had a Mac, I'd be fine, right? Well, no. It turns out that the SCSI scanners aren't supported on Intel-based Macs.

My $17 kilobuck scanner is slowly turning into a doorstop.

Which brings me to FireWire. That's the only interface that the H5D-xxx supports. No USB-3. No GBE. It's hard to find FireWire machines new these days, although you can get there with a Thunderbolt adapter. However, it's not obvious that Thunderbolt is going to catch on in the PC world, which is where i dwell most of the time.

Thus I'm on the fence. I'd hate to see a new Hasselblad head for doorstop-dom in a couple of years. Mebbe I should wait and see if a high-count FF sensor is around the corner.

Hmmm.

Jim

[eronald]

Jim,

 There's probably some VM hack for that scanner - ask some enterprise guy, he'll know, this is what they do for a living.

Edmund

I was excited by this announcement. Still am, in fact. The lack of in-camera live view was holding me back, in spite of owning a bunch of H-series lenses. But I'm a little worried. I own an Imacon Precision II scanner. It has a SCSI interface, now obsolete. When Imacon came out with the Precision III, which had a FireWire interface in addition to higher resolution, they offered an upgrade to the Precision III to Precision II customers.

I bit.

The kit consisted of a firmware upgrade, a third-party FireWire to SCSI converter, and a stick-on rubber thingy with a “III” on it to go over the “II” on the scanner. Since I’d paid a couple of thousand bucks for the upgrade, I wasn’t very happy. It seemed like the only thing of value was the firmware upgrade.

Years later, I realized what a truly lousy deal it was. Imacon stopped supporting the SCSI-based scanners in their new software. But I was covered, right? Nope. They still supported real Flextight Precision III’s, but not Precision II’s that had been made into Precision III’s through their upgrade process. They froze the driver for my scanner at a version that ran on Windows XP, but on no newer operating system.

Now Windows XP is riding off into the sunset.

If I had a Mac, I'd be fine, right? Well, no. It turns out that the SCSI scanners aren't supported on Intel-based Macs.

My $17 kilobuck scanner is slowly turning into a doorstop.

Which brings me to FireWire. That's the only interface that the H5D-xxx supports. No USB-3. No GBE. It's hard to find FireWire machines new these days, although you can get there with a Thunderbolt adapter. However, it's not obvious that Thunderbolt is going to catch on in the PC world, which is where i dwell most of the time.

Thus I'm on the fence. I'd hate to see a new Hasselblad head for doorstop-dom in a couple of years. Mebbe I should wait and see if a high-count FF sensor is around the corner.

Hmmm.

Jim

[Jim Kasson]

There's probably some VM hack for that scanner - ask some enterprise guy, he'll know, this is what they do for a living.

I tried the usoft product. I couldn't find the right virtual display driver.

http://blog.kasson.com/?p=678

Maybe I'll try again someday.

Jim

[eronald]

I tried the usoft product. I couldn't find the right virtual display driver.

http://blog.kasson.com/?p=678

Maybe I'll try again someday.

Jim

Jim, this is not about making the thing, it's about using it - the techies are really better at that than we are, by now. Believe me, get someone else to do it for you.

Edmund

[NickT]

The man said that he is using a 54H in his post... Sooo, i guess calling him a "new user" is offensive enough...

EDIT: ...in your later post (which followed the one that you've "put words in his mouth" he never said).

How very unpleasant of you. I wasn't suggesting the OP was a newbie at all but rather that a *new* user might be confused by the original somewhat ambiguous phrasing.

I'll let you get back to your endless suggestions about what Hasselblad should be doing for you. Perhaps they'd be more interested in your opinions if you weren't still using a ten year old system. Actually I doubt it.

Now where's that ignore button.

[Theodoros]

How very unpleasant of you. I wasn't suggesting the OP was a newbie at all but rather that a *new* user might be confused by the original somewhat ambiguous phrasing.

I'll let you get back to your endless suggestions about what Hasselblad should be doing for you. Perhaps they'd be more interested in your opinions if you weren't still using a ten year old system. Actually I doubt it.

Now where's that ignore button.

Ohhh... I see now... you suggest that Hasselblad does well not to provide solutions for their previous customers... Guess what, I also use some 20 years old stuff in my system and even have some 35 years old lenses that do well... will I replace it? ...if I find better I will!

Pitty there is no automatic rejection of insane logic posts...

[jerome_m]

I have the money ready for the upgrade and wonder why Hasselblad  would not manufacture a stand alone 50 mpx multishot back with the adapters. I would use it on my Sinar P3 or buy a new, lighter view camera for that back. At the same time I want to use the same back on my Contax and 6008AF.

Your problem is that you want a back that is multishot and with an exchangeable mount plate. That does not exist any more. The market for multishot backs is so small that there are not many options.

Your only solution is to buy an Hasselblad MS system and a plate for the H system for your P3. But you will not be able to use that particular back on your Contax and 6008AF cameras.

[Theodoros]

Your problem is that you want a back that is multishot and with an exchangeable mount plate. That does not exist any more. The market for multishot backs is so small that there are not many options.

Your only solution is to buy an Hasselblad MS system and a plate for the H system for your P3. But you will not be able to use that particular back on your Contax and 6008AF cameras.

Why should he buy worst than he has Jerome? (spending a fortune and not achieving the ideal that suits him?) ...Do you know a better alternative than his 54H (apart from the identically spec'ed 528c) that can do as well? ...maybe E-xact can... (a little bit better) but unless he'll test it there is no other solution than to keep the "IQ-280 destroyer" he already has for what he is using it for... After all, if he'll use Sinar's "liquid" solution for LV he already has PERFECT LV... (I say this because my mate in work does use a 75H on a P3)... A 50ms or a 200ms would provide him the ability not to work with "view camera" lenses but to use his own on a Universalis if it was available as a solution... then he wouldn't have to worry about aberrations... and he would have the ability to integrate his back in single shot for his system..., the result would't be as good as he has with the 54h (in ms), but it would be close while the equipment would reduce considerably... But Hasselblad won't sell him what he needs.

[JV]

But Hasselblad won't sell him what he needs.

How large do you believe the multi-shot digital back market is?

MF Digital is a niche market and multi-shot is a niche market within a niche market.

I guess I don't know but I would be surprised if there was enough demand for Hasselblad to make its MS backs available as standalone backs and in all mounts...

... and still make money...

[Theodoros]

How large do you believe the multi-shot digital back market is?

MF Digital is a niche market and multi-shot is a niche market within a niche market.

I guess I don't know but I would be surprised if there was enough demand for Hasselblad to make its MS backs available as standalone backs and in all mounts...

... and still make money...

It's just an example... an example... of additional sales for "ready" products that they refuse to sell... an example... You know what an example is ... right? ...that they refuse to sell in more than the example... is the fact!

[ynp]

@ Jerome
@ Theodoros

Sinar still offer the adapters. I can buy a Sinar back, upgrade my lenses, buy a control unit and forget about the Hasselblad and shoot film on my Contax. I have a db20 for my 6008AF.

I have the Sinarback 54 Н and I am happy, the quality is very good, I have the studio in the basement and my camera on the Foba stand is stable enough for the 16 shot shooting, if I need the quality. But I have to use Captureshop, very  old and if stable SW. The back is FireWire 400 and I keep an old laptop for the camera. The new SW from Sinar is wonderful, but it does not support my old back.

The P3 is a very good camera and I enjoy the full integration with my back. The problem is that I do not need too much of movements for copying work and I want something lighter to shoot outside. 4 shot at 50 mpx  shall be enough.

Eventually I will have to upgrade.

I tried the Hasselblad software and liked the workflow. I remember the Hasselblad MS stand alone backs and wanted to explore the Hasselblad solutions.

I am just surprised that there is only one player, Sinar. And you might be right, the multi shot market is too small.

[ynp]

"How large do you believe the multi-shot digital back market is?

MF Digital is a niche market and multi-shot is a niche market within a niche market."

Yes, I understand that. The MS market have always been small.


Raison d’être of Medium Format Digital is ultimate quality of the image, in my view. And it is sad if the MultiShot
cottage industry is passing away.