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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2014, 02:35:37 am »

Interesting comments folks.  I moved to Medium Format from Nikon because I preferred the format factor of the camera. Call me strange, but I didn't like the size of the Nikon and it didn't feel right using it on the tripod - all the controls seemed fiddly and I just didn't enjoy it. Moving to the larger camera was a breath of fresh air and I really love using this big, heavy camera - admit this is the Pentax, so more DSLR-like than others.

Yes I love the IQ I am getting, love the fact that I can print big - but the number of large prints I do are limited, I miss the DOF of 35mm format and ultra wide angles - but use of the camera is an emotional thing for me.

All I know is, it gets me out there more and my images have improved since I am more in-tune with the camera (Yes better technical images, but also just better images).

So it isn't just about the technical differences.
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2014, 08:00:19 am »

Thanks for all of the comments and feedback on the article, folks. I am scratching my head why stitching with 35mm became part of the discussion about wildlife photography, which is what the article was about. I switched because of what Nick posted a few comments before mine. I switched mostly because it makes me happy and I don't really care if what I use is always the most appropriate format for my craft.
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2014, 08:59:40 am »

Andy, you should know better that to quarrel with the format police.  ;)

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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2014, 09:32:50 am »

Hi,

Nothing wrong with that…

Best regards
Erik


Thanks for all of the comments and feedback on the article, folks. I am scratching my head why stitching with 35mm became part of the discussion about wildlife photography, which is what the article was about. I switched because of what Nick posted a few comments before mine. I switched mostly because it makes me happy and I don't really care if what I use is always the most appropriate format for my craft.
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2014, 11:20:07 am »

... I would like to know the f-stop used for all the images in the article. This is important to me because I would like to consider MF, but the narrower DOF concerns me for landscape photography.
DOF is not much of a problem for a larger format with slow moving subjects: you can get the same DOF in MF as with 35mm by simply using about one f-stop higher and either doubling the exposure time or doubling the exposure index (so-called "ISO").  If shutter speed is limited, the latter option used to be dodgy with CCD MF gear, but is far more viable with the new 44x33mm Sony exmor CMOS sensors.
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2014, 12:03:56 pm »

So here is the deal. I have been on safari here in Africa for the past 3 weeks, and have used the new IQ250 back quite a bit. Take a look at a few images to see if you think this is working and if 35mm stitching would cut the mustard. Remember that the discussion is about the article and wildlife photography, not about anything else like landscapes, fashion or interiors.

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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2014, 12:08:57 pm »

and some more
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2014, 12:09:55 pm »

In summary it seems to be working for me, because I am happy with it.

 ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2014, 05:03:59 pm »

Hello Andy.
QED. Cool photographs and glad to see how much fun you are having with the Phase One.
David
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2014, 06:11:33 pm »

And then there's the old joke.... "The best camera is the one you have with you". If a talented photographer goes out into the world with a smartphone, he or she will come back home with some amazing images. If he or she steps up to a Nikon D800 or D810, he or she will come back with some amazing pictures. If he or she steps up to medium format digital... you guessed it, some amazing images will be achieved.

Are there technical distinctions between these imaging options that lead to different aesthetic results?  For sure. Is one better suited in some circumstances over another? For sure. But much of the format justification I see published in the literature is not based on any of these factors. There is a subtle undertone that means it is based on individuality and exclusivity, ie. "I own a rare camera system, and that makes my images different than what other photographers can achieve". Rarity might come because of the high cost of the particular camera, but rarity might also come, albeit fleetingly, because the camera is very new on the market.

In my own day-to-day existence,  I've never run into another photographer shooting with a medium format digital camera system. I see Youtube videos and Phase One promo videos about these folks, but I've never run into one in real life. Come to think of it, I've never run into another photographer shooting with a Nikon D800 or a Sony A7r.  By the time you fork out a few grand for a camera, you are in a rarified atmosphere indeed. Enough said.
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2014, 12:28:07 pm »

In my own day-to-day existence,  I've never run into another photographer shooting with a medium format digital camera system. I see Youtube videos and Phase One promo videos about these folks, but I've never run into one in real life. Come to think of it, I've never run into another photographer shooting with a Nikon D800 or a Sony A7r.

Maybe you need to move to another place...  ::)

I have seen photographers with MF cameras, albeit rarely. I see people using D800 or Sony A7 (did not check the r) regularly.
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2014, 12:34:01 pm »

So here is the deal. I have been on safari here in Africa for the past 3 weeks, and have used the new IQ250 back quite a bit. Take a look at a few images to see if you think this is working and if 35mm stitching would cut the mustard. Remember that the discussion is about the article and wildlife photography, not about anything else like landscapes, fashion or interiors.


These are 8 very nice pictures you posted. I would expect them to be absolutely stunning when printed wall-size.

I really think that the people arguing that only so many pixels are necessary to print big should take the time to go to a decent museum or gallery and see really large fine art prints.
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2014, 12:37:40 pm »

Here is another image from today.
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2014, 12:44:35 pm »

That last one may be nicer in colour. In B&W, one does not immediately understand that the part behind the elephants is not the sky, but a cloud. Mount Kilimandjaro looks as if it comes out of nowhere.

Still: please stop posting pictures or you will make me so jealous that I will have to come to one of your workshops to see if that place is real...  ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2014, 12:59:39 pm »

Take a look at a few images to see if you think this is working and if 35mm stitching would cut the mustard.

Good shots, Andy. However I do feel that a D810 9-shot stitch will definitely give you the additional resolution and tonality you're missing in some of the wildlife frames.  Rather than run 'n gun with the IQ250, perhaps one of your party could simply persuade them to hold it and  ' say cheese for the camera ... '

Just sayin' jesting ...
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2014, 01:48:31 pm »

The image with the two giraffes looks like a landscape to me  ;)  and yes, with the animals separated as you show, you could've stitched it. Obviously  an animal close-up cannot be stitched. You like your DMF and are happy with it so end of story.

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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2014, 01:55:53 pm »

You guys are killing me. :-)

Maybe I should buy a cheap 2004 era Canon 6mp EOS 10D and stitch about 12 images to equal the pixel count....
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2014, 03:52:31 am »

Why trouble yourself? Buy a 36 MP D810 and stitch! It'll be as good, as long as you get the alignment right, and the animal doesn't move, and you don't move, and...
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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2014, 09:20:30 am »

Why trouble yourself? Buy a 36 MP D810 and stitch! It'll be as good, as long as you get the alignment right, and the animal doesn't move, and you don't move, and...

If you can afford the Phase One camera and the Schneider lenses and need to print really big and the business supports it, then why bother with stitching? Stitching is in my opinion not practical as a general approach. Stitching is fine for the occasion where you need it, but stitching every picture? Not really ;)

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Re: Why Medium Format Digital?
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2014, 11:43:15 am »

*makes a whistling sound and waves a hand over head*
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