Scottish Independende Debate

[shawnino]

I accept, as confirmed in my response to Slobodan, that "People may consider the referendum to be about many things. That is their prerogative."

...and this is what's so dangerous about voting 'yes'. The 'yes' side is allowing a 'yes' vote to mean everything to everybody.

Let's talk lenses. Your camera manufacturer is putting out a new lens, and they've told you the design is hundreds of years in the making. And it's amazing. They can't you the focal length or the aperture, but they're taking pre-orders. Don't worry, the lens will be great, they promise. So that'll be payment in full thanks. How much? Well, that depends on how many pre-orders there are, so just send them a blank cheque.

Oh, and I nearly forgot: once you mount the lens it can't come off. Well, it could, but it would wreck your camera's contacts and bayonet, so the camera wouldn't really work anymore. But don't worry, you'll love it. You'll never want to take it off.

Test shots? Well, not really, no. there was some prototype work done in Yugoslavia, Finland, the Indian subcontinent, and the Soviet Union, but everyone agrees those were different sized sensors. Not really relevant here. So no sample shots, no.

Who's buying?   

[stamper]

Dave if you refuse to disbelieve all politicians that is your prerogative but it is negatively cynical. A week ago on tv your namesake Dave Cameron spelt out that after the General Election there will have to be cuts. The figure is in dispute but it is acknowledged that over 1 trillion pounds has to be clawed back. George Osborne not only wants the deficit wiped out he wants a surplus to be built up. That can't be done without savage cuts. This isn't a lie. Unless Skye declares it's self independent of not only Scotland and the UK then you will suffer along with the rest. IMO an independent Scotland can avoid the worst.  Dave a personal question. Are you Scottish or English?

[stamper]

If anyone is looking for liars then this video exposes possibly the biggest of them all?

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/9667-bbc-video-reveals-sir-ian-wood-backed-scottish-government-oil-figures

[Dave (Isle of Skye)]

If anyone is looking for liars then this video exposes possibly the biggest of them all?

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/9667-bbc-video-reveals-sir-ian-wood-backed-scottish-government-oil-figures

And here is a story that proves beyond any doubt that the Yes side and Alex Salmond are also lying - Alex Salmond accused of 'hypocrisy' over warnings about privatisation of NHS.

Which if you care to read the full story, proves my point exactly, that they are all lying to you and how they will tell you anything just to get you to vote for them so they can benefit from power, it has absolutely nothing to do with any of them trying to make things better for your or your family, they do not care in the slightest about you or me.

You know it is up to you of course, because obviously you can believe whatever you want and whatever rubbish they feed to you, but making any decision and especially such a momentous one as this, based simply on how the political elite are brainwashing you into voting for them, is the wrong way to go is all I am saying. Vote Yes if you want to by all means, but do so on what you absolutely know to be true based on what you have right now and not on what some idiot in a suit is telling you they will do for you in the future, but only if you vote for them, or what those lying so-and-so's on other side will do against you if you vote for them.

Dave a personal question. Are you Scottish or English?

Neither, I am a Yorkshireman, but as I said in a previous post, I am descended from a Scottish bloodline, that can be traced back to the twelfth century in Scotland, as my grandfather was Scottish and his surname was Haig  

Maybe I should also add that I moved 500 miles from Yorkshire just to live here, Scotland is my home and I love it and don't want to see it or the rest of the UK jeopardised by splitting up.

Dave

[deejjjaaaa]

Indisputable fact 2 – No one knows what will happen if there is a yes vote and Scotland becomes a wholly independent country, it could be good and it could be bad, no one knows, no matter how confidently they tell you that they do, they are lying.

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Indisputable fact 6 – Only the Scottish politicians will gain from independence, not you and not me, the other lot down South will not gain anything from the union remaining intact either, as that is the current status quo, that is what is happening right now, so whatever there was to be gained for them, has already been long gone.

Indisputable fact 7 - The grass will not be any greener in an independent Scotland and you know you can believe me, because I am not a politician.

you a problem with logic, dear... reread your "fact 2" with your further statements together.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I spent all my High School years in Scotland, and lived in Glasgow as an adult.

I've been wondering.... if we all vote "Yes" for independent Scotland, do we get to expel Isaac from LuLa Land back to Scotland? 

[stamper]

No chance. His reading skills are sub normal. He answered a question that was aimed at someone else.

[PhotoEcosse]

My ancestors lived both sides of Hadrian's wall outside Carlisle.

Unfortunately, Hadrian built his wall in the wrong place. He should have built it from the Mersey across to the Humber.

Folk living above that line have much more in common with each other than with folk south of that line in cultural and ethical terms.

Once Scotland becomes independent, I wonder how long it will be before the Geordies and Mancunians are campaigning to join us?

 

[Patricia Sheley]

From our small speck on the timeline we find ourselves pointing to the damages, to self and others in the interminable wars for cause...yet here as elsewhere the lessons are not forgotten (would have needed to have been learned/internalized to have done that). No matter the outcome it will be down to many good people going about an attempt at honest life once again being hoisted by the petards of others...

[Jeremy Roussak]

Once Scotland becomes independent, I wonder how long it will be before the Geordies and Mancunians are campaigning to join us?

I can't speak for the Geordies, but I think you'll wait a while for Mancunians.

Jeremy

[john beardsworth]

I can't speak for the Geordies, but I think you'll wait a while for Mancunians.

+1. But the Scousers will be first in line.

[Jeremy Roussak]

+1. But the Scousers will be first in line.

You'll never know how close I came to adding that line to my post!

Jeremy

[AreBee]

Shawnino,

...and this is what's so dangerous about voting 'yes'. The 'yes' side is allowing a 'yes' vote to mean everything to everybody.

Not at all. It is simply recognition by me that what others consider the referendum to be about is outside of my control.


Isaac,

Don't we all consider our own self-interest?

On occasion, yes.

[PhotoEcosse]

Might explain why so many folk for so many different reasons will be voting YES.

[Chairman Bill]

If you vote 'Yes', it'll mean no more Poundland. Think on that for a bit. Complete cultural destruction.

[PhotoEcosse]

In their "Review of the Papers" this morning, the BBC is highlighting the suggestion that, resulting from panic at the latest YouGov poll that shows the YES campaign ahead for the first time, there will be a radical alternative offered by the British government within a few days. Some notion that if we vote NO, we will get a completely new federal model of government.

I have a sneaky suspicion that, if the BBC is correct, such a move would be seen in Scotland as a totally cynical ploy and would actually drive more of the uncommitted voters into the YES camp.

Every attempted intervention by the English establishment seems to have the opposite effect to the one they are seeking. Speaking on the Andrew Marr programme this morning, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, was made to look like a mentally defective numptie - and that by a pro-unionist presenter!

[Jeremy Roussak]

Might explain why so many folk for so many different reasons will be voting YES.

And a free gold bar for every pensioner at Christmas. There's no obvious source for all this largesse, of course.

Anyway, this is worth a quick read.

Jeremy

[Chairman Bill]

... the Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, was made to look like a mentally defective numptie ...

There's a perfectly good reason for that.

[DennisWilliams]

Just curious.

How exactly is the wealth generated in Scotland which pays for all these subsidies and entitlements?

Is it like Saudi Arabia  which distributes  oil revenue to each citizen or America where  the deficit has risen to 14T in no small part thru  supporting the 50% of the population which  contribute virtually (3%) no  tax revenues ?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... to become a country without a currency...

What's up with this constant harping about "without a currency" or "shared currency"!? Who says they will end up without one? They'll simply have their own, or Euro. Again, in case of former Yugoslavia, Montenegro adopted first Deutshce Mark, then Euro as its own currency, and Slovenia had its own currency (Tolar) until replaced by Euro years later. None of them experienced any catastrophe over it.