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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2014, 05:22:14 pm »

Bye, Isaac
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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2014, 07:43:20 pm »

"… one might ven­ture that he photographed whether or not he had anything to photograph, and that he photographed most when he had no subject, in the hope that the act of photographing might lead him to one."

John Szarkowski, The Work of Garry Winogrand
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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2014, 09:57:58 pm »

Regardless of the ire here, I can recommend this experiment:

Go to an urban environment, with many active people doing different things in different groupings. Now shoot as randomly as you can. Don't frame, don't pause, don't think, just burn 1000 exposures pointing the camera roughly at people randomly. You might try stuff up for dinner focus. Black and white. Or not.

Then go home and see what you got.
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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2014, 12:09:03 am »

... Then go home and see what you got.

I can guarantee you got something. ;)

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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2014, 08:13:27 am »

I can guarantee you got something. ;)

Who knows maybe some might even be in focus! Where something is happening..... ;D

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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2014, 08:15:51 am »

What you probably got was knocked on the head!
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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2014, 11:30:51 am »

Who knows maybe some might even be in focus!

1/50th f8
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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2014, 01:41:42 pm »

If you haven't done it, then mocking it is easy.
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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2014, 01:48:47 pm »

1/50th f8

At least the f/8 is right. Show us some of your work using this formula, Isaac.
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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2014, 04:15:43 pm »

... Show us some of your work using this formula, Isaac.

I think it is time to retire this request. We all asked for that at one time or another, some of us repeatedly, with no apparent result (other than thread closing). At this point, I can only assume there is a good reason for his reluctance. As a minimum, I've come to see it as a free will (to post or not to post) that should be left alone as such.

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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2014, 05:19:05 pm »

Go to an urban environment, with many active people doing different things in different groupings. Now shoot as randomly as you can. Don't frame, don't pause, don't think, just burn 1000 exposures pointing the camera roughly at people randomly.

Then go home and see what you got.

I've done this sort of thing—zone focusing, f/8, auto ISO, click click click at near random—and my takeaway is that there's enough going on in such locales that you can't help but every so often stumble into an interesting photo. I get little enjoyment from doing it, though, since for me seeing the interesting scene and responding to it is where the fun is. The resulting photo isn't unimportant but it's not primary either.

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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2014, 08:43:10 am »

It's not that I recommend doing it as a method. I don't. It will teach you something about the nature of photography.
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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2014, 12:12:39 pm »

I think it is time to retire this request. We all asked for that at one time or another, some of us repeatedly, with no apparent result (other than thread closing). At this point, I can only assume there is a good reason for his reluctance. As a minimum, I've come to see it as a free will (to post or not to post) that should be left alone as such.

I agree with you, Slobodan. It's up to Isaac whether or not he wants to post pictures, and I've given up trying to get him to do that. My only problem is that I find it off-putting when somebody offers advice about street photography without demonstrating he's actually done it. Critiquing without demonstrating a talent for what you're criticizing is okay. All sorts of armchair critics do it, and most, but not all, art critics couldn't so much as draw a nose or a leg. But criticism is one thing; instruction is another.
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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2014, 12:32:36 pm »

... It will teach you something about the nature of photography.

Like what? Care to elaborate? Or is it just another confirmation of the statement (paraphrased): "I photograph to see how things look like when photographed," in which case it doesn't really matter who, what or how.

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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2014, 01:35:46 pm »

At least the f/8 is right.

With IBIS the 1/50th can be right too.
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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2014, 01:40:33 pm »

As a minimum, I've come to see it as a free will (to post or not to post)

That's exactly the point.
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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2014, 01:58:26 pm »

The lesson or lessons to be learned are best learned, rather than talked about.

Still, there are things you can say about the relationship between shooting and editing. One can trade care in shooting for care in editing later. This is obvious but the extent to which it is true is pretty surprising.

This has obvious implications for the work of Winogrand and Maier, at least. What appears to be skill in shooting is, one can learn via my experiment, actually skill in editing. Again, obvious except for the degree to which it is true.
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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2014, 04:22:04 pm »

It's not that landscape photographers are bad photographers, Slobodan. It's just that they don't quite understand what photography really is for. Painting is for landscapes; photography is for people.

I know you are only kidding Russ, but,

Wasn't the first recorded negative taken of a landscape through a window?

Wasn't the first book on photography "The Pencil of Nature" predominantly about landscapes and landscape images?

Isn't the most expensive photograph ever sold, a landscape image?

Isn't the most famous photographer of all time (Ansel) a landscape photographer?

Just sayin...   ;D

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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2014, 05:27:14 pm »

Hi Dave,

The first photograph was made by Nicephore Niepce in 1825 on a pewter plate coated with an asphalt derivative and it was a picture of his neighbor's rooftops. The shutter speed was something like 8 hours.

Fox Talbot's Pencil of Nature included some landscape, but it also included a bunch of pictures of people and their houses and yards.

I'm not sure what Rhein II actually has to do with serious photography, but if money is your guide to what's great, you're thrashing about in the wrong genre. Paintings are a lot more expensive.

In terms of 20th century photography, Ansel is a footnote. Henri Cartier-Bresson was by far the most influential photographer of that century.

Just sayin. . .
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Re: Garry Winogrand: MonkeyCam Redux
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2014, 06:09:17 pm »


In terms of 20th century photography, Ansel is a footnote. Henri Cartier-Bresson was by far the most influential photographer of that century.

Just sayin. . .


No Russ, I said famous not influential  ;)

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