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"Introducing the Ultraprint"
« on: March 09, 2014, 01:29:19 pm »

http://blog.mingthein.com/2014/02/27/introducing-the-ultraprint/

A customer sent me the above blog link and asked if I'd seen it. I hadn't. Read through it this morning while sipping a cup of coffee. Enjoy :)

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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2014, 01:53:45 pm »

I must confess that I didn't read the entire post, but isn't that a simple attempt to rename and promote an "ordinary" 720ppi print from a high res file?
From my brief reading I could not see any difference between that and what we all do.
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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2014, 01:55:23 pm »

I really want to learn this "recursive sharpening process". Jeff Schewe, where are you when we need you!?

 ;D

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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2014, 02:26:38 pm »

So he prints a D800E 36MP image on an 8*10 at 720dpi - I can do that too :)

I don't get the big deal here - if you take a hi rez image and print it small then of course you will get a highly detailed image.

I just printed a D800 image at 2.6m wide by 2.8m high and it looks just as impressive :)
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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2014, 02:39:28 pm »

"I think it’s hilarious that you think you’re the first person to print at this resolution. You’re only scratching the surface." - quoted from Mark Olwick's comment on Ming Thein's blog.

I fully agree. A lot of overheated puffery. Frankly, I thought this is normal practice when making prints small enough with excellent quality source images. And even with larger prints, by employing multi-row stitching. This is not foreign to many demanding members of lu-la and elsewhere.

Platine does not contain baryta. It also does not have a "very fine fibre sturcture". Note that Wesley, the print master who made the prints, favors Harman's Gloss Baryta as mentioned in the comments. That is a baryta paper and does indeed have a very fine structure, and sharper than almost all commonly available inkjet fine art paper I know of. Moreover, Platine isn't as capable in dmax and gamut, compared to many other glossy surfaces. It does lie quite flat when printing from rolls and has no OBAs, which is nice.

"Recursive sharpening process"? Does he mean deconvolution sharpening? The word 'calibration' is used rather loosely too.

"Who’d have thought you actually need a D800E’s 36MP for a sub-A3 print?" - Erm, a lot of us out here?
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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2014, 05:21:42 pm »

I just realized that my D800 gives me 7360 pixels by 4912 pixel images

So at 720 dpi the native resolution gives a 10" * 7" print which is the point at which one would expect maximum detail and clarity.

Printing anything larger involves detail losing interpolation.

The use of "Ultraprint" is beginning to sounds a bit like the use of the word "Giclee" - aimed to confuse and impress the uneducated.
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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2014, 05:36:44 pm »

I prefer to contact print my Photoshop files for maximum clarity!
« Last Edit: March 11, 2014, 09:41:19 am by jjj »
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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2014, 06:49:11 pm »

Ultraprint is soooo antique and yesterday technology!
I go out for a walk and see the world as a one big print of itself.

That's the Hyperprint above all.
Forget those puny 720 ppi and and go hyperprinting !

You even don't need a camera for this type of print.

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(Going supraprinting now - sleeping+dreaming)
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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2014, 05:19:28 am »

The workflow from scene to print got a hermetic approach to keep everything aboard. Otus>16 bit>deconvolution sharpening>720 PPI printer input resolution  etc. In the end a 9900 has to lay the ink down; a 3.5 picoliter droplet printer for 8x10 prints? That could be improved with a 1.5 picoliter droplet printer and after that the guy could start making MTF resolution measurements of the inkjet papers to see where the method overshoots the final receptor, not just the print media BTW. In a sense it is the same with iPad screens, in many parts of the world the population ages rapidly, the average eyesight quality goes down as fast and people will go for the larger screen with less resolution.


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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2014, 06:18:40 am »

I don't get why people get so hung up on numbers like dpi or ppi. If it looks good, it is good. If the camera moved slightly during exposure, or you missed focus, then 720 dpi may still look blurry.

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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2014, 03:42:01 pm »

Thanks, Chris, for the invention/invocation of "supraprinting"! --Barbara
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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2014, 05:50:56 pm »

To make a Proper SuperUltraprint, IMHO, you really need to sharpen each pixel individually and then position them by hand in a suitable, indestructible substrate. The Artist's autograph should be attached microscopically to each pixel, together with said pixel's unique ID number. Then, ....

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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2014, 06:16:29 pm »

To make a Proper SuperUltraprint, IMHO, you really need to sharpen each pixel individually and then position them by hand in a suitable, indestructible substrate. The Artist's autograph should be attached microscopically to each pixel, together with said pixel's unique ID number. Then, ....

 ???

For shaping and sharpening individual pixels there are a couple of solutions:

For strictly square metallic pixels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_%28tool%29

For more organic, wooden pixels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasp

For female pixels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nail_file

For male pixels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_razor

Cheers
~Chris


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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2014, 07:56:41 pm »

Wait untill the "UBERPRINT" comes out in a few months!
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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2014, 09:01:43 pm »

For shaping and sharpening individual pixels there are a couple of solutions:

For strictly square metallic pixels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_%28tool%29

For more organic, wooden pixels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasp

For female pixels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nail_file

For male pixels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_razor

Cheers
~Chris



;D Thanks for that, Chris!
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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2014, 02:29:25 am »

Wait untill the "UBERPRINT" comes out in a few months!

Sorry Buddy, you're late ...
http://www.uberprints.com/

Cheers
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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2014, 11:24:23 am »

Reminds me of when a certain (French) filter manufacturer touted their plastic filters as being constructed of "organic glass".
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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2014, 11:54:37 am »

Reminds me of when a certain (French) filter manufacturer touted their plastic filters as being constructed of "organic glass".

The guy I worked  for and I had a good laugh when we first read Cokin's tout - back in 1983! And then we had to explain it to the second assistant.
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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2014, 04:27:21 pm »

I really want to learn this "recursive sharpening process". Jeff Schewe, where are you when we need you!?

These are not the droids you were looking for....
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Re: "Introducing the Ultraprint"
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2014, 10:37:57 am »

These are not the droids you were looking for....

OK, Schewe . . .  you can send the $60 bucks I need to replace my shorted-out keyboard to . . .   
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