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The Tracks
« on: February 24, 2014, 02:57:03 pm »

Not much here, but for some reason I can't identify it appeals to me. . . at least enough to post it.
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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2014, 05:29:27 pm »

Seems to me something of a matter of motif-in-absentia.
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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2014, 05:49:28 pm »

Seems to me something of a matter of motif-in-absentia.


Man, that's my landscapes-without-models syndrome!

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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2014, 06:38:31 pm »

That's about it, Walter. It reminds me of a large etching in a gallery in the town of Mount Dora, Florida, where I shot this picture. The etching gives me the same feeling the photograph does, the tracks are there and the train has departed.
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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2014, 11:08:24 pm »

This is one of those intriguing images English teachers would use to stimulate creative writing. There must be a thousand stories down those tracks! A very appealing image!
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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2014, 11:57:55 pm »

This is one of those intriguing images English teachers would use to stimulate creative writing. There must be a thousand stories down those tracks! A very appealing image!
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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2014, 02:12:11 am »

Yes... exactly.  A lot of stories there.  Like why is the shell of that train car (if that's what it is), sitting off the tracks?

Well done.

Mike.
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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2014, 04:11:02 am »

Yes an intriguing image.  :) The question that formed in my mind was if you had moved six feet to the right - if it was possible without being hit by a train - what was there to be seen further down the track? Something better? As it is the image is a "mystery" of sorts and I suppose that was your intention Russ? As I said intriguing.  :) BTW I like the processing.

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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2014, 04:16:32 am »

Yes an intriguing image.  :) The question that formed in my mind was if you had moved six feet to the right - if it was possible without being hit by a train - what was there to be seen further down the track? Something better? As it is the image is a "mystery" of sorts and I suppose that was your intention Russ? As I said intriguing.  :) BTW I like the processing.


;-)  Now, now, stamper, let's not get this thread off-track. You can always start another thread to discuss those sorts of things.  ;-)

Rob C

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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2014, 05:57:51 am »

This is one of those intriguing images English teachers would use to stimulate creative writing. There must be a thousand stories down those tracks! A very appealing image!

Well said.
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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2014, 06:07:51 am »

A really good image, but Terry's comment is a pearl!
This is one of those intriguing images English teachers would use to stimulate creative writing. There must be a thousand stories down those tracks! A very appealing image!

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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2014, 09:20:45 am »

Thanks all. I'd walked on by a few paces before something grabbed me and made me back up and make a snap. And, Stamper (sorry Rob), for the first time in at least a year I went into Color Efex Pro and ran through a series of filters just to see what would happen. The Dark Contrast filter grabbed me because the result really fit the scene. I used that, and then Silver Efex to finish the job.

 
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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2014, 10:09:37 am »

The questions this image raises illustrate quite well the value of "ambiguity" that Russ often speaks of in street photography. To me, it's the questions and multiple possibilities that make the image riveting.

Nice work, Russ!
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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2014, 12:50:33 pm »

The questions this image raises illustrate quite well the value of "ambiguity" that Russ often speaks of in street photography. To me, it's the questions and multiple possibilities that make the image riveting.

Nice work, Russ!




I understand where you are coming from with that idea, Eric, but isn't it sort of self-defeating? If a photograph doesn't actually say anything of its own, and all you can do is wonder, then surely, a large ? would suffice? Photoshop could do that so well without a camera.

I think pictures need a bit more than lack of subject. Of course, if lack of subject is actually subject, as in an extreme example of less being more, we may all just as well retire now and take up knitting. At least we'd have something tangible at the end of it, even if just a scarf.

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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2014, 01:16:33 pm »



I understand where you are coming from with that idea, Eric, but isn't it sort of self-defeating? If a photograph doesn't actually say anything of its own, and all you can do is wonder, then surely, a large ? would suffice? Photoshop could do that so well without a camera.

I think pictures need a bit more than lack of subject. Of course, if lack of subject is actually subject, as in an extreme example of less being more, we may all just as well retire now and take up knitting. At least we'd have something tangible at the end of it, even if just a scarf.

;-)

Rob C
Totally undifferentiated "wonder" isn't what I'm looking for, Rob. But photos that tell me everything I might want to know about the subject get pretty boring pretty quickly, IMHO. So, the kind of ambiguous photo that I like is one that suggests at least some boundaries on the viewer's speculation, but still leaves room for the viewer to exercise some imagination.

Eric
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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2014, 01:38:41 pm »

I had to look a couple of times at the photo and think a couple of times before writing this up:

This is a strong photo and I don't like it.
Its strong, because it causes this sense of loss, departure, emptiness and maybe even a sort of mourning in a convincing simple way.
Thats why I don't like it - I don't want to feel like that. I don't want to feel left behind after the train has departed.
Well done, Russ !
Cheers
~Chris

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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2014, 02:16:31 pm »

Totally undifferentiated "wonder" isn't what I'm looking for, Rob. But photos that tell me everything I might want to know about the subject get pretty boring pretty quickly, IMHO. So, the kind of ambiguous photo that I like is one that suggests at least some boundaries on the viewer's speculation, but still leaves room for the viewer to exercise some imagination.

Eric





And IMHO too, but is that really where we are both standing?

The reality, through my eyes only, of course (and how 007 is that!) is that we can all expect far too much from photographs, when they are totally incapable of delivering what we, the viewers, determine that they must. Photographs are not magical; at best they are can be beautiful and offer some satisfaction by provoking nice thoughts or, alternatively, pot ugly and provoke a sense of distaste, which is where the strength in much negative reporting can be found and works well. Photograph a riot and you can make it say pretty much what you want it to say; photograph a landscape and it says what the weather was like, where you were and possibly with whom.

I enclose another delightful little quotation from a chat between Eddie Adams and Robert Farber:

RF.  "Which assignments made you happy? More than others".

EA.  "Basically, other than that, as long as people are involved see because you have to remember they have architectural photography, but I think the pìcture of a beautiful building but... somebody made that building. That's the person who created the picture, not the photographer, the person who made that building. And then you have the light from the Sun... God created that light, not the photographer, but the photographer went there and just took a snap of it, and all of a sudden he's an architectural photographer." 

There's another delight, which I can't find again, where David Bailey is responding to someone who spoke to him about 'art photography' and was questioning his (Bailey's) objection to the terminology. Bailey responds to the effect that you don't talk about art sculpture or art painting, so why treat photography differently...

So you see, perhaps I'm not the best chap with whom to have these 'artistic' chats - I tend to regard them with deep suspicion and not a little skepticism. After you've made a few thousand pictures and been paid to do it, you come to the conclusion that at best you are competent, have an eye for it, and that's pretty much all there is to the thing. The only people I see making fantastical claims for photography are those who have never actually made much out of it. For those who have, both in the professional life as well as the others who have simply been able to latch onto the art market, the truth is that with time, they both prefer agents to do the selling for them because the agent can sell the bullshit where the photographer reaps only embarrassment at the nonsense he has to purvey.

It's a tough life at both ends of the spectrum.

Rob C


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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2014, 05:34:27 pm »

It could be argued that a photograph that makes us feel anything beyond indifference is worthwhile, even if it elicits a sense of loss, an appreciation of beauty, or interest in a particular subject or product. Just my $0.02.

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Re: The Tracks
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2014, 07:21:50 pm »

Right, David, and it's what I keep calling a transcendental experience, a feeling you can only feel, but not put into words. Terry, Mike, Stamper, Graeme, Tony, Eric and Chris evidently got that kind of experience from this picture. I got it too, that's why I stopped, backed up about five paces and made the shot. I gather that since there are no boobs in the picture, Rob didn't get that kind of experience.
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2014, 04:04:30 am »

Right, David, and it's what I keep calling a transcendental experience, a feeling you can only feel, but not put into words. Terry, Mike, Stamper, Graeme, Tony, Eric and Chris evidently got that kind of experience from this picture. I got it too, that's why I stopped, backed up about five paces and made the shot. I gather that since there are no boobs in the picture, Rob didn't get that kind of experience.


Close, but about a foot-and-a-bit off: my reality is that I really do prefer looking at a beautiful face; boobs are more for childhood or the dark.

Actually, and human physique apart, the problem, as I see it, isn't in any way confined to your image where I do, of course, understand what you may have been trying to portray. But that's partly the trouble: you may have been trying to do that, but the required viewer reaction is a reflex, derived from thousands of similar images in the genre, each reinforcing the other until there is no longer anything really new being said - just repetition  of the same old song. That's what happens in fashion photography as much as in pinups. These are all genre efforts and, as such, eventually become invisible. Exactly as the supposed motif in your tracks.

That's why so many well-known photographers tend to  become somewhat coy and unassuming in talking about what they do: they understand it all too well and realise that photography is not magic, is almost never art and most frequently is an exercise in being able to say "Oh, look, it turned out!" and of course it did, that's what let them be professionals.

The sooner we come to realise that, then the sooner I think most willl come be happy in their relationship with themselves and, financially importantly (for those to whom it counts) it will see the end of the quest for the next best bit of plastic and glass. It never makes you a better snapper - you just have more to play with, and as every child eventually knows, you can only play with one toy at a time if you really want to discover its potential. If it has one at all.

The problem isn't really any specific photographer, it's the medium. To amplify on Donovan: remove the imperative and there is no valid purpose.

Rob C
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