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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #220 on: July 16, 2013, 04:35:08 pm »

I'd really like to know, because there are ZERO European nations who would hesitate to tell the U.S. to "f*ck off" about anything else they care about.

That simply is not true at all.

US-EU relationship are an order of magnitude more complex than you seem to think.

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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #221 on: July 16, 2013, 05:04:20 pm »

123 Russian journalists have been murdered since Putin came to power.
that includes all deaths from all causes (including politically motivated murders, payback from criminals when journalist was investigating something purely criminal, accidents, etc)...
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #222 on: July 16, 2013, 05:06:18 pm »

and see how the privacy is over there?
less technology = more privacy, dear... unlike you I have both citizenships and can compare in person.
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #223 on: July 16, 2013, 05:10:40 pm »

Okay, explain it to me. What do you think was the reason?
simple - you cultivated bad guys to fight left(ist) seculars, you organized coups against those, you got a well deserved payback.
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« Reply #224 on: July 16, 2013, 05:18:40 pm »

that includes all deaths from all causes (including politically motivated murders, payback from criminals when journalist was investigating something purely criminal, accidents, etc)...

And I'm sure Snowden will love living there.
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #225 on: July 16, 2013, 05:19:14 pm »

He willfully broke the secrecy oath he signed and tried to damage the U.S.
and people who tried to kill Adolf broke their oath and tried to damage their state... oh wait... they apparently had a different understanding what their state was, so Snowden has different idea what and who is damaging the U.S  :P ... or for example do you think founding fathers intended for females and negroes and whatever to vote ? so their idea of the U.S. is not exactly the one that you have (or... may be it is  ;D) ?
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #226 on: July 16, 2013, 05:20:42 pm »

less technology = more privacy, dear... unlike you I have both citizenships and can compare in person.

As if your privacy is more secure in Russia. Don't make me laugh.
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #227 on: July 16, 2013, 05:22:31 pm »

and people who tried to kill Adolf broke their oath and tried to damage their state... oh wait... they apparently had a different understanding what their state was, so Snowden has different idea what and who is damaging the U.S  :P ... or for example do you think founding fathers intended for females and negroes and whatever to vote ? so their idea of the U.S. is not exactly the one that you have (or... may be it is  ;D) ?

And your reason for comparing a mass murderer like Hitler to the U.S. is?
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #228 on: July 16, 2013, 05:27:55 pm »

That simply is not true at all.

US-EU relationship are an order of magnitude more complex than you seem to think.

Cheers,
Bernard

It's not about complexity. It's about America's ability to strong arm its allies, which is much less than you suppose. If most of Europe was unwilling to back America in its invasion of Iraq in 2003, how much easier do you think it would be for them to allow Snowden safe passage over their airspace? The answer is: a lot easier. The reason for them not rushing to Snowden's aid isn't because of America's leverage with them. It's because they're not buying Snowden's phony moral crusade.
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #229 on: July 16, 2013, 05:32:55 pm »

And your reason for comparing a mass murderer like Hitler to the U.S. is?
it is about people making their call what they consider the right thing to do... Snowden made his call... and your problem is ?
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #230 on: July 16, 2013, 05:33:48 pm »

As if your privacy is more secure in Russia. Don't make me laugh.
as noted - unlike you I know what I am talking about not from books or movies
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #231 on: July 16, 2013, 05:34:55 pm »

as noted - unlike you I know what I am talking about not from books or movies

Let's ask the members of Pussy Riot what they think.
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #232 on: July 16, 2013, 05:37:16 pm »

And I'm sure Snowden will love living there.
you are not that stupid to think that his actions were intended just to get an asylum there...
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #233 on: July 16, 2013, 05:39:27 pm »

Let's ask the members of Pussy Riot what they think.
absolutely - media has full access to few of them who were convicted... they were not kept in brig or whatever  ;D
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #234 on: July 16, 2013, 05:40:41 pm »

It's because they're not buying Snowden's phony moral crusade.
whores are not buying anybody's moral crusade... they selling for the right price.
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #235 on: July 16, 2013, 05:42:40 pm »

you are not that stupid to think that his actions were intended just to get an asylum there...

I never said that I thought he ultimately intended to get asylum in Russia. It's more that I find it ironic that he should wind up in a country that's micromanaged by a former KGB officer. However, he did apparently intend to defect to China, where he flew to first. Would you characterize China as a stalwart defender of peoples' rights?
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #236 on: July 16, 2013, 05:44:10 pm »

whores are not buying anybody's moral crusade... they selling for the right price.

That's interesting. Which European countries do you contend are being run by whores? France? Holland? Austria? I'm curious.
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #237 on: July 16, 2013, 05:47:38 pm »

I never said that I thought he ultimately intended to get asylum in Russia.

then what is has to do with whether he likes it there or not ? well, that is a price he pays...

It's more that I find it ironic that he should wind up in a country that's micromanaged by a former KGB officer.

well, I find it ironic too... for a different reason though  ;) ... http://www.inliberty.ru/blog/karmodi/3818/ - use translate.google.com (the author is certainly not pro Putin)


However, he did apparently intend to defect to China, where he flew to first. Would you characterize China as a stalwart defender of peoples' rights?

I characterize China as the country that US is afraid of  ;D
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #238 on: July 16, 2013, 05:49:34 pm »

That's interesting. Which European countries do you contend are being run by whores? France? Holland? Austria? I'm curious.
let us start with those caught with their pants off with Bolivia's president flight...
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Re: Is Richard Snowden a heroe or a criminal?
« Reply #239 on: July 16, 2013, 05:51:43 pm »

absolutely - media has full access to few of them who were convicted... they were not kept in brig or whatever  ;D

Well, perhaps you should send a letter of protest to Amnesty International, which has declared them "prisoners of conscience". Obviously, you know much more about their fate than they do.

Oh, and by the way, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova and Maria Alyokhina are still in prison for their protest. But being the Russian expert you are, you knew that, right?
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