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Re: Adobe - Creative Cloud Update
« Reply #420 on: July 13, 2014, 03:44:56 am »

Just in case Jeff comes in here as well ......

I guess you really don't get it, huh?

You want help? Ask away...you want to pollute LuLa like you have all over the net? Go away...We get you are pissed...but this ain't the way to get help.
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« Reply #421 on: July 13, 2014, 03:51:04 am »


We finally got to moving over to the Cloud base of Photoshop.  ( CC PS )
Installed cloud - installed CC PS - all good so far - then open Photoshop - it closed immediately.
 
Was Cloud open - Yes
Tried rebooting - just in case.

Opened PS - splash screen - menus all going - it closed again faster than it opened.
 
Ok Check the net - yep its a known issue.
 
Close Cloud - open PS - Now it tells me I have a trial version.
 
In any case this is the issue - it wont start and stay active for me to use.
We did finally get past the part where it thought it was a trial version ....... now it just wont start .......
 
 
So yeah Jeff I am pretty pissed off and have had a rant.
Still not fixed.
 
CS 5 Suite works fine  - and so does the Downloaded version of Lightroom.
OS - Windows 7 Ultimate
32MB ram
Photoshop Opens and closes immediately.
 
I do appreciate your point of view.
Did I mention stressed out ?
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Re: Adobe - Creative Cloud Update
« Reply #422 on: July 13, 2014, 03:57:13 am »

I know threads wander off topic, but just because "cloud" occurs in this and in your problem.... Start your own thread.
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« Reply #423 on: July 13, 2014, 04:01:04 am »

 ???
Had actually thought it was on topic ........ OMG you guys .....
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« Reply #424 on: July 13, 2014, 04:32:14 am »

Read the thread - or just the first post - and you'll see you weren't. The words "cloud" and "update" may be in common, but this is about the big issue while yours is a more specific problem. Had you opened your own thread and explained the problem clearly, you'd probably have useful answers by now.
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« Reply #425 on: July 13, 2014, 05:28:02 am »

I understand that there are people having trouble with the cloud and people that don't like the entire concept. I had my reservations to start with I admit.

However. Today is a lovely Sunday morning in mid winter. The sun is streaming in through the window and outside it is cold, by our standards. We might not get to 17 degrees C today. I'm in the Southern Hemisphere. A long way from the tech hubs of the first and developed world. At the bottom end of Africa we don't have access to technology resources that others might take for granted.

Yet I am happily working on a batch of 120 images shot for a local linen retailer. They need the images on Monday morning. I am using PS CC. The actions I created at the studio on Friday have synced in the background and are being run while  I write this. My software is all up to date and has run flawlessly since I went with the cloud subscription. The updates have been useful. I didn't find the move to CC2014 disruptive or confusing.

I'm just writing this in case people think it is all awful and difficult on the cloud. There is another side to it as well. Sure some are having problems and my sincere sympathy to them. I hope the issues are resolved successfully.

For some of us, even in third world countries, all is working flawlessly.
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« Reply #426 on: July 13, 2014, 01:42:40 pm »

Please accept this as a genuine question rather than point-scoring: Do you actually go back to .psd files made 5 years ago and rework them?
I've often gone back and reworked files. Particularly as software has improved has improved so much.
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« Reply #427 on: July 13, 2014, 02:36:00 pm »

I've often gone back and reworked files. Particularly as software has improved has improved so much.

One of the biggest areas of improvements was the raw processing, so if I need to go back to an image that is 5 years old, i'll start with the raw file and go from there.
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« Reply #428 on: July 13, 2014, 03:09:56 pm »

If you had been up to date with your technique 5 years ago, it would be in the TIF/PSD file as a smart object.
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« Reply #429 on: July 16, 2014, 01:53:05 pm »

If you had been up to date with your technique 5 years ago, it would be in the TIF/PSD file as a smart object.
Indeed. Smart objects are the smart way to use PS.
Particularly useful if you like to work parametrically - which is possible in PS despite some inaccurate claims to the contrary.
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Re: Adobe - Creative Cloud Update
« Reply #430 on: July 16, 2014, 01:54:53 pm »

One of the biggest areas of improvements was the raw processing, so if I need to go back to an image that is 5 years old, i'll start with the raw file and go from there.
Well that's exactly what I was talking about. And as John mentioned, that can all be done within PS if you are working 'smartly'.
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« Reply #431 on: July 16, 2014, 02:00:22 pm »

If you want to rework a raw, I don't see how an SO does anything other than embed another copy of the raw with another set of instructions in the main TIFF/PSD. Meaning you could do the rework alone in ACR or LR. Then add the other layers to that if you wish. I just don't understand SO's I guess. Are they not just an embedding of (in this case) a raw within the TIFF/PSD that like the raw outside it, is read only and can be rendered? Now the other Photoshop 'stuff' going along for the ride is of course important. What stops me from rendering a new image from say LR or ACR, then dragging and dropping the layers and other elements outside the SO of the original doc, isnt the net results the same?
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Re: Adobe - Creative Cloud Update
« Reply #432 on: July 24, 2014, 05:14:38 pm »

If you want to rework a raw, I don't see how an SO does anything other than embed another copy of the raw with another set of instructions in the main TIFF/PSD. Meaning you could do the rework alone in ACR or LR. Then add the other layers to that if you wish. I just don't understand SO's I guess. Are they not just an embedding of (in this case) a raw within the TIFF/PSD that like the raw outside it, is read only and can be rendered? Now the other Photoshop 'stuff' going along for the ride is of course important. What stops me from rendering a new image from say LR or ACR, then dragging and dropping the layers and other elements outside the SO of the original doc, isnt the net results the same?
The embolded bit explains a lot of your previous posts when I've talked about non-destructive/parametric editing in PS. I planned to record a demo to show how to work this way in PS, but have been silly busy over last month or three. When/if I have time, I'll put something together to illustrate a non-destructive PS workflow and post it here on LuLa.
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« Reply #433 on: July 24, 2014, 06:34:12 pm »

  When/if I have time, I'll put something together to illustrate a non-destructive PS workflow and post it here on LuLa.

Thank you, because I'm kind of with Andrew on this...
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« Reply #434 on: July 24, 2014, 07:02:19 pm »

Be useful too if the term non-destructive/parametric editing in PS was defined. At leat the non destructive part which IMHO isn't possible in Photoshop proper (it is in ACR using parametric edits). Existing pixels values that are changed are destructive. Do it in high but, it's a moot point.
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« Reply #435 on: July 25, 2014, 12:15:36 am »

Non-destructive editing is a marketing term that means very little (in reality). ACR/LR are parametric editors that do not apply the settings until a rendered file is created...then the pixels are indeed modified. Are they destructed? Nope...just rendered.

Photoshop can also do a lot of parametric editing when it comes to adjustment layers...like ACR/LR, those edits are applied until flattened...better yet is the ability to use the ACR filter inside of Photoshop proper.

The only "destructive" editing I ever do is trash bad shots...everything else I do I do to an image is designed to improve the image, not degrade it.

Short of downsampling from 16-8 bit or taking a ProPhoto RGB image and converting it to sRGB, there's really nothing in ACR/LR or even Photoshop that is really "destructive", just edit with various sorts of consequences...

Now, if you want to change the term non-destructive editing to something like infinitely re-editable, I'm ok with that. I hated the term non-destructive from the moment I first heard it. It's just a buzzword that is ambiguous not really very useful.

Oh, the people on DPReview seem to like it...does that mean anything?

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« Reply #436 on: July 25, 2014, 09:42:47 am »

Non-destructive editing is a marketing term that means very little (in reality).
Amen to that brother!
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« Reply #437 on: July 25, 2014, 10:47:35 am »

It's a bit more than a marketing term and is indeed broad enough to mean infinitely re-editable in common usage. Thinking just of of how you use PS, remaining able to get back to your original image, not having to start over again, has obvious advantages in terms of fine tuning in later PS sessions, applying adjustments to other images etc.
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« Reply #438 on: July 25, 2014, 11:23:20 am »

Thinking just of of how you use PS, remaining able to get back to your original image, not having to start over again, has obvious advantages in terms of fine tuning in later PS sessions, applying adjustments to other images etc.
A 'Save As' will accomplish the same resluts albeit one with lots of iterations and wasted time. Yes, adjustment layers and such are useful for going back within the editing but calling this non destructive is a marketing hype statement.
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« Reply #439 on: July 25, 2014, 11:56:37 am »

It's marketing hype if it comes from the mouth of marketing, but not when it describes the practice of trying to use Photoshop so you retain infinite editability.
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