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bwana

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how do you keep your focus?
« on: February 18, 2012, 06:50:15 am »

I feel like I am from another universe. I grew up spending time composing the image, taking notes about what you thought during the capture, etc. Very 'ansel adams'y approach - the zones of exposure, the composition, etc. But I think this process evolved from the nature of the tools of photography - crafting a large plate to put in a view camera was an expensive and time consuming proposition. This philosophy extended to software in the form of photoshop. You could massage and change and image to bring out the qualities that inspired you to capture it. But digital photgraphy has further allowed a change in the process. Faster processing and orders of magnitude more storage.

People now take thousands of photos. Then they are culled. It's so different - the sense of building an image can be lost so easily by the seductive easiness of capturing another photo. For me, the problem is maintaining focus-with so many images, the ideal I was trying to capture can get blurred. When you transfer a thousand images from your camera to your computer, how do you scan them all to see which ones might be worth investing time in to fix? do you look at the icons in the finder/explorer window? review them in iphoto first?

And then when you think there's one worth  trying to fix, do you open up photoshop and start to tweak.? In a way, photoshop is amazing. It allows me to use a photograph as a crystal to seed the imagination. Even in a pile of crap you can find a diamond and use photoshop to polish it. or put another way, to some people, the photograph file is just the beginning of the final image. My problem is that by the time i get to photoshop, i am way far away from the moment of capture - in another place and time. and I have two orders of magnitude more images to review - so it is easy to forget the essential qualities that made me take the picture.

I guess this is where Lightroom is supposed to come to the rescue.
LR is FAST and can get you to a decision point about a photo quickly. IF you can remember what it was you were thinking at the time. I remember when Nikon came out with the D1 and the D100. There was a little button for audio recording on the battery grip and I remember thinking - 'what the hell is that for? I am not making a movie'. But then I realized that it was probably for annotating your thoughts. Still, who has the time to listen to all that, process the words and remember what you wee thinking?

And so I write to ask some of you who have adapted to this brave new world, how do you remember what you were looking for in a photo when you are drowning in so many images? Or do you not really care about that anymore? Is it all about making an image that grabs your attention when you are back home at your desk at your computer?

 I am trying to use this ability to capture thousands of images but I am finding it hard to use-my human brain wants to go back to the 19th century way of building an image. I find a disconnect between the moment of capture and the final image now. There are so many starting images and so many variables I can fiddle with afterwards. Today I see photographs printed that photographers in the wet darkroom only imagined making in their wet dreams- creamy smooth textures, eye popping saturation, and dreamy grungy effects that are more drawing/painting than photography. Clearly, the new technology allows for some fantastic images. But I am lost in translation.
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Re: how do you keep your focus?
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2012, 07:07:42 am »

I come from a film background too, and although I'll often take thousands of image for my work, I stilll think like a film photographer, every shot composed, and got as near right as I can in camera.
For my own stuff the pace is slower, many less images but each one taken properly, I'm not a fan of the "machine gunning" approach. 
To me Photoshop/Lightroom are now part of the process, just another tool, yes I'll often take an image in a certain way knowing I'm going to do something to it in photoshop, but for me thats part of the fun.
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Re: how do you keep your focus?
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2012, 07:20:47 am »

Some time ago I got a 4x5 Sinar camera loaned from an architecture photographer who still makes his living using 4x5 sheet film and an imacon X5 scanner.
He told me, that he still can remember almost every image he has ever taken.
For privat use he has a Mamiya 7 ii (I now have one too and am very happy with it) - its his pocket camera so to say.

This encounter made my wet dreams of an expensive digital system almost go away.
I now use a Powershot G11, an S95 and a Mamiya 7 ii and I have plans to get a 4x5 Arca Swiss (with 120 film back) in the future ...
Scanner is a Nikon LS 9000 ED.
Images I want to print I wet scan for quality.

I think if you start forgetting (too many) images you have taken, there is a problem ...

Tim Lookingbill

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Re: how do you keep your focus?
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2012, 10:32:25 am »

Have similar thoughts on this topic as well.

It can get overwhelming the amount of images I end up having to cull through because I just can't stop rattling off a couple more shots of a scene that looks great (to me) framed in my viewfinder at every angle. There's something there that's speaking to me because I'm not pointing the camera at the million or so other possible scenes in my immediate area. That's how I value looking at all those thumbnails in Bridge.

As a former painter and cartoonist and now as a photographer I've developed a POV that what I'm really doing is not just trying to make pretty pictures, but communicating my reacting to the story pictured in the viewfinder. I think of it much like method acting which is reacting over just reciting dialog written and put to memory from a script. This method prevents copying mannerisms (scenes) subconsciously mucking around in my head from past influences (pictures I've seen before).


So if I can't see any uniqueness or a story I haven't realized before either when tripping the shutter or viewing previews in Bridge, I shoot something else or later, toss the image. So when culling through all those images, I try to recall my reactions, feelings and emotions at the time of the shoot. If I don't feel it then and sometimes after some post processing, then it gets tossed.

Another approach I've developed lately is from what I've been getting playing around and "reacting" to what I get editing in ACR. This has become another world to me because of the discoveries that unfold. A new adventure and approach because now I have my mind on a completely different A to B process and way of thinking/reacting where the internal dialog runs something like..."From the odd unique looks editing in ACR shooting this scene with these unconventional lights, I'll shoot this other scene/subject with the same lights and see what accidents come about in post".

THAT'S FUN! And that's all that matters to me making culling through these images seem more like an adventure.
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Bill Koenig

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Re: how do you keep your focus?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2012, 02:18:03 pm »

How do you keep your focus?

With digital capture try shooting some stitched panos, add HDR exposure blending (not tone mapping) to the mix and by the time your finished, believe me, you will be ONE with your vision and the resulting pano in the end. I've spent months on a single pano project, but I have the time, its just a hobby for me.
Most of my pano's are made up from 40 to 70 images mostly shot with a 85mm lens in vertical columns with a spherical pano head, add HDR to this and you can add at least 3 more exposures per image.
So now you've taken hundreds of images just to get one single picture, one single vision, that can be printed LARGE and have detail that only large format film once had. 
WARNING, shooting pano's can get to be additive.

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Tony Jay

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Re: how do you keep your focus?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2012, 04:02:48 pm »

The best advice I can give you is to use the huge advantages of digital capture to fulfill YOUR creative vision.
IMHO while a machine-gun/scatter-gun approach is certainly possible with digital capture this is not any guarantee of a quality image.
Modern sensors have a way of showing up poor photographic technique so from a technical perspective much more attention to technique is required compared to slide film. Focussing and diffraction issues are probably top of the heap here.
With regard to composition and artistic intent absolutely nothing has changed - all the same principles still apply (with due regard to known technical limitations of lens and sensor).

With regard to post-processing the best advice I can give is that you attend one or more courses. Lightroom really should be your fundamental baseline package. The digital asset-management capabilities are immense not to mention the fantastic image processing possibilities. With LR4 having the ability to softproof prior to printing I believe that LR is an absolute no-brainer.
Photoshop is best reserved for specific interventions that cannot be done in LR. Most images will never require manipulation in PS.

To repeat - use the possibilities of digital capture and processing to your advantage.
Research and learn as much as possible.

The learning curve is not at all insurmountable.
Good luck and enjoy.

Kind regards

Tony Jay
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Re: how do you keep your focus?
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2012, 03:40:45 am »

Having not shot film all that long compared to shooting digital....but I am struggling to understand why you can't apply the same approach to digital photography as you did with film.

Slow down! Nothing has really changed, only the media you record on, and the ability to review it after you shoot much like your old Polaroid.

Remember to go out and enjoy your photography, come early, still debate the scene as you used to do, take notes - which can also be very handy when you get back home and sit on the computer, in particular if you don;t get to do this straight away.

I think what you guys used to do sounds really good, I think I might try and apply some of this to my own shooting - thanks for sharing

Henrik
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