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Determining No-Parallax Point for Zoom Lenses
« on: February 06, 2012, 11:41:46 pm »

My query is really somewhat more complicated than contained in this thread's subject wording.  I've read a fair share of the instructions for calculating no-parallax points for fixed focal-length lenses, and in fact have successfully done so for my panoramic photography efforts with those lenses.  However, I have begun to use zoom lenses, with variable focal-length settings, for taking panoramic photos.  This is probably an impossible query, but does anyone have a ready (i.e., simple and quick) method for such calculations when in the field attempting a panoramic photograph after the framing is decided upon on the spot with a zoom lens setting? 
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Re: Determining No-Parallax Point for Zoom Lenses
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2012, 02:46:18 am »

Because framing in stitched panoramas cannot be as accurate as in a single shot I prefer a more pragmatic approach.

It's a no-brainer to determine no-parallax-points for the short and long end. It's no use to go for all possible focal lengths mm to mm.
Instead use stepping up/down following focal length stepping in primes: Factor 1.5 will do as rule of thumbs.
For example: If you're using a 24-105 proper steps would be 36, 54, 81. And if you take a look at the markings on the focal length control ring you will see "35, 50, 70". Close enough. Use these markings, calculate you points and write them down.
I used a water resistant white marker to put those numbers on my macro/pano rail.

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Re: Determining No-Parallax Point for Zoom Lenses
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2012, 04:33:26 am »

My query is really somewhat more complicated than contained in this thread's subject wording.  I've read a fair share of the instructions for calculating no-parallax points for fixed focal-length lenses, and in fact have successfully done so for my panoramic photography efforts with those lenses.

Hi Jim,

I'm not sure which calculations you are referring to, unless you only use symmetrical lens designs. Several modern lenses also use internal focusing mechanisms, so the no-parallax-point (NPP) can potentially shift a bit with a change of focus distance.

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However, I have begun to use zoom lenses, with variable focal-length settings, for taking panoramic photos.  This is probably an impossible query, but does anyone have a ready (i.e., simple and quick) method for such calculations when in the field attempting a panoramic photograph after the framing is decided upon on the spot with a zoom lens setting?

Again, calculations can be wrong. The only way to do it well for an actual lens/focus distance is by testing for parallax when the camera rotates from side to side with the assumed entrance pupil as rotation point/axis. For that you need a closer and a more distant feature that overlap, and monitor if their relative position shifts when you rotate the camera. Live View can be very helpful if you can't inspect the images on a larger screen in the field.

With zoom lenses the whole optical design changes as you zoom, so I would also suggest to determine the NPP at a few fixed zoom positions, and interpolate for intermediate positions. When you use a good blending program, then minor inaccuracies will be hidden, although when closeup control points are used then lens-distortions will by misinterpreted and the overall stitching could become problematic. It always helps to get as little parallax as possible, but when in doubt just avoid close-up control points during stitching optimization.

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Bart
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Re: Determining No-Parallax Point for Zoom Lenses
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2012, 09:32:09 am »

Walter and Bart:  Many thanks for your knowledgeable responses and guidance.  You've both, of course, confirmed for me the difficulties I envisioned.  Walter, the problem for me is even more complicated than you perceived when advising me on the useful (and relatively manageable) suggestion of marking the calculations on my rail with indelible ink.  I in fact have TWO zoom lenses for use with my camera mounted on my Arca Swiss-type rail.  Much for me now to think about.  Regards to you both, Jim
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Re: Determining No-Parallax Point for Zoom Lenses
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2012, 04:48:18 pm »

I made a small card for all my lenses that locates the NP point with my Really Right Stuff setup. I then reduced this in size and then laminated it, so it is easy to look up in the field, I can carry it in my back pocket. I also made a copy for all my bags and a couple extra, as I always seem to lose them. I set it for mostly primes but also for some zoom lenses at different points. At least that is way of having a reference in the field.

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Re: Determining No-Parallax Point for Zoom Lenses
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2012, 05:24:47 pm »

I wouldn't rely on any type of calculation.
Trial and error is the only foolproof way of deciding where the no-parallax point is as already described.

It is a pain in the butt but worth it - eventually - to the yards on this.
As mentioned already find out the no-parallax points for useful focal lenghts through the range of the zoom.

By the way, when doing panoramas if everthing in the image is at or close to infinity parallax errors become much less of an issue.

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Re: Determining No-Parallax Point for Zoom Lenses
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2012, 12:53:13 pm »

The attached link is to a possibly useful tutorial. It's intended primarily for people using FE lenses for creating VR panoramas (where the NPP setup is very critical) however the principles remain the same.

The parent site has excellent, clear, tutorials for most aspects of VR pano creation (not that I imagine this is relevant to the majority of LL participants.)

http://www.johnhpanos.com/epcalib.htm
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Re: Determining No-Parallax Point for Zoom Lenses
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2012, 10:38:41 am »

I'd suggest testing out the NPP at home for different zoom settings and writing it down, and bring the note to the field. That's how I do it.
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