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I shoot landscapes of agricultural scenes primarily - a lot of animals with backgrounds of grass, scrub, and now bare tree branches etc.etc..  When using long focal lengths - there can be a lot of what has been described by others as bokeh "double vision" (note my Zuiko lens produces really beautiful bokeh in other conditions - and most of the time it's not so much of an issue).  That said, I use PS(5) a lot, but have never used the "blur tool set" - and I would like to know if a photographer who is shooting with the above conditions (or sim.) can recommend a method using the blur tools (or perhaps others) that can somewhat obscure or ameliorate this affect.  I'm in the middle of a heavy shooting schedule, and I don't have time to experiment/test it all out right now...so I would appreciate any feedback/guidlines/methods etc. etc.  Thanks much.
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I shoot landscapes of agricultural scenes primarily - a lot of animals with backgrounds of grass, scrub, and now bare tree branches etc.etc..  When using long focal lengths - there can be a lot of what has been described by others as bokeh "double vision" (note my Zuiko lens produces really beautiful bokeh in other conditions - and most of the time it's not so much of an issue).

You are probably experiencing spurious resolution, caused by nisen-Bokeh (due to overcorrected spherical aberration). It is best to prevent it if it affects your images negatively, either by using a different aperture if possible, or a different lens with better qualities for your type of images.

Prevention is much better than cure, unless you can afford to spend a lot of time on postprocessing.

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That said, I use PS(5) a lot, but have never used the "blur tool set" - and I would like to know if a photographer who is shooting with the above conditions (or sim.) can recommend a method using the blur tools (or perhaps others) that can somewhat obscure or ameliorate this affect.  I'm in the middle of a heavy shooting schedule, and I don't have time to experiment/test it all out right now...so I would appreciate any feedback/guidlines/methods etc. etc.  Thanks much.

There are no simple recipes, unless your images are easy to post-process (significant separation between object and background, e.g. by color or brightness). The process involves broadly 2 stages. One is creating a mask for your main subject (which might be hard but that depends on the actual image). Two is creating a lens blur layer with depth gradient to make it look realistic. Whether the blur will look better, depends on how it is currently looking. You might have to avoid some pitfalls to avoid a halo type of effect. Retouching like this requires some skill.

Not something you would like to do routinely, so it's better avoided when taking the image in the first place.

An example image might help to see if alternative strategies could offer a better workflow.

Cheers,
Bart
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Great Bart...thanks for reply/comments/advice.  At some point I'll do some tests with the lens (Zuiko 50-200 SWD) at diff. apertures. - and go back at and look at apertures info. for some past problem shots.  In the photo subject types/situations described - I'm dealing with very fluid/fast moving scenes - and frankly don't think about it while shooting...and most of the time it's not an issue.  However, every once in a while I'll have that "one image" that I like...and the nisen -bokeh is the one thing that keeps it from being really nice. 
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You are probably experiencing spurious resolution, caused by nisen-Bokeh (due to overcorrected spherical aberration).

OK ... brain cramp ... running for advil   ;D
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Bart - I looked at one or two images...I had a "doubler" on with the 50-200...maybe part of issue
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Bart - I looked at one or two images...I had a "doubler" on with the 50-200...maybe part of issue

Hi Brandt,

I'm not sure I understand "doubler". It that a focal length extender? In that case it might well be part of the issue, although I assume you use it for a reason (because it will also cost you 2 stops of light). In that case, and assuming you need the reach, you might try a fixed focal length lens or a different zoom. The optical design has a lot of influence on how smooth the background blur is. And even then, the foreground blur can behave quite different compared to the background blur.

Spurious resolution is hard to predict even for for a given optical design, because the subject to background distance is one variable, background feature size/repetition is a second variable, and aperture (at a given focal length) is a third. In the case of a zoom lens the severity of the effect can also vary by focal length.

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Thanks again Bart for response/info.  "Doubler" = focal length extender x2.

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rious resolution is hard to predict even for for a given optical design, because the subject to background distance is one variable, background feature size/repetition

noticed this too...once I have time to do some tests will have to factor all in...
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