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Pentax 645d Review and Samples..
« on: April 08, 2011, 05:30:36 pm »

Here is my impression of the Pentax 645d. Also presenting a compilation of works for the past six months, hope this helps some of the folks who are considering this camera.

- Hark

A. Image Quality

(1) The quality of each pixel most likely exceeds that of any high end DSLR, no idea how it compares to the other digital medium formats.
(2) Images sharpen very well, compared to d3x, 1ds III or 5d ii, the RAW files contain finer details and less artifacts when sharpened with the same parameters in ACR (compared at 100%).
(3) Pan focus is much tougher for landscape photographers due to larger sensor size. For pixel peepers, if you require very high quality for each pixel, meaning very small circle of confusion, the DOF will always be a problem when you include close-distance objects (e.g. less than 10ft when you are shooting at 35mm, f/13), focus stacking is something you may want to consider.
(4) The dynamic range seems to be no different than any other DSLRs, the specifications from the manufacturer seem to support my experiences.
(5) ISO 100 produces better images than ISO 200 (even though ISO 200 is default), although I never tested above ISO 400.
(6) Color rendition is very natural. Red channel tends to be suppressed compared to the canon DSLRs (maybe it's the other way around, Canon tends to oversaturate).
(7) TERRIBLE white balance. Especially photographing sunsets and sunrises gives you a number of logistic challenges, the auto WB is almost never right. Need to take mental images of the scene and correct them in RAW converter based on memory.
(8) Diffraction becomes noticeable at f/16, the best aperture seems to be f/11-f/13 for landscape photography.

B. The Camera

(1) Definitely bigger than any top of the line DSLRs, but light for its size.
(2) Ergonomically designed, handles very well.
(3) Feels very solid and well made, the dust / weather seal offers great protection.
(4) Viewfinder is large and bright, displays all essential information.
(5) Mirror is well dampened, lock-up is very useful for landscape shooters.
(6) Electronic level is convenient and accurate, also offered inside the viewfinder.
(7) Very useful dedicated control buttons / knobs for bracketting, mirror lock-up, metering, AF mode, AF, white balance and drive mode.
(8) Battery life is more than enough, purchased three extra batteries, never had to use more than two batteries in one day.
(9) Separate mounting plate can be attached on the left side of the camera for vertical shots, very useful since some ball heads cannot support the weight of the camera when tilted.
(10) 3" LCD is one of the best features, superb quality. The camera offers fast zoom to check the focus / sharpness (usually zoom to 14X-16X gives you a good sense of the 100% original).
(11) Auto focus seems accurate, didn't have a chance to carry out precision tests.
(12) Lack of liveview is a major disadvantage compared to high-end DSLRs.
(13) It takes about 4 secs to review a shot even with Sandisk Extreme 32GB SDHC cards (30MB/S), (with lens correction off), which can be frustrating from time to time.

C. Lenses

(1) Most FA lenses seem to perform very well with the exceptions of FA 33-55mm, FA 45mm. Tested lenses : FA 35mm, FA 33-55mm, FA 45-85mm, FA 55-110mm, FA 80-160mm, FA 45mm, D-FA 55mm, FA 75mm, FA 150mm.
(2) A 35mm marginally outperforms FA 35mm, although the quality of the very edges with a 645 full-frame sensor remains to be seen.
(3) A 35mm seems to offer larger DOF than FA 35mm focused at the same distance with the same f-number, probably due to smaller lens diameter. A test will be carried out shortly.
(4) FA 33-55mm is almost unusuable for pixel peepers, due to spherical focal plane, it's never sharp from corner to corner below f/16, so almost always substantially diffraction-limited. The lens performs better from 35mm to 45mm. Two copies tested, both calibrated by Pentax Japan.
(5) FA 45-85mm and FA 80-160mm perform slightly better than FA 55-110mm, all three lenses produce very sharp images.
(6) D-FA 55mm seems a tad softer at the edges than the FA 45-85mm, but slightly sharper in the center of the frame, both lenses perform very well.
(7) D-FA 25mm is on its way, will report back in a few weeks.

D. Prints

(1) Tested up to 30"X40", offers great quality and amazing details.
(2) Expected to offer prints up to 39" X 52" that are sharp upon close inspection (assuming 1 foot of viewing distance) when properly processed and sharpened.

E. Suggested Improvements

(1) 80MP full-frame sensor.
(2) Development of tilt-shift lenses.
(3) Liveview.
(4) Improved white balance.
(5) Faster image review.
(6) Articulated LCD.

F. A Nitpick

The factory remote control F has a tiny button. It's tricky to use because you have to press it with your fingernail and sometime you end up missing the shot. Aftermarket remote features a larger button, cheaper and works better.

G. Samples



Ano Nuevo State Park, San Mateo, California (A 35mm)



Golden Gate Bridge, San Francisco, California (FA 35mm)



Davenport Beach, Davenport, California (FA 35mm)



Cataract Falls, Fairfax, California (FA 35mm)



Bonsai Rock, Lake Tahoe, Nevada (A 35mm)



Emerald Bay, Lake Tahoe, California (A 35mm, panoramic)



Hole in the Wall Beach, Davenport, California (A 35mm)



Antelope Canyon, Page, Arizona (FA 45-85mm)



Montana de Oro State Park, Los Osos, California (A 35mm)



Mossbrae Falls, Dunsmuir, California (FA 35mm)



Bonny Doon Beach, Davenport, California (FA 35mm)



Convict Lake, Mono, California (A 35mm)



Pigeon Point Lighthouse, Pescadero, California (FA 45-85mm)



Subway, Zion National Park, Utah (FA 35mm)



Wilder Ranch State Park, Santa Cruz, California (FA 45-85mm)



Mount Shasta, Siskiyou, California (FA 35mm)



Swinging Bridge, Yosemite National Park, California (FA 35mm)



Pfeiffer Beach, Big Sur, California (FA 80-160mm)



Cataract Falls, Fairfax, California (FA 35mm)



Bonsai Rock, Lake Tahoe, Nevada (FA 35mm)



Red Rock Canyon, Clark, Nevada (FA 45-85mm)



Garrapata State Park, Carmel, California (FA 35mm)



Subway, Zion National Park, Utah (FA 35mm)



Bonny Doon Beach, Davenport, California (A 35mm)



South Tufa, Mono Lake, Mono, California (FA 45-85mm, panoramic)



Horseshoe Bend, Page, Arizona (A 35mm, panoramic)



The Watchman, Zion National Park, Utah (FA 35mm)



Valley View, Yosemite National Park, California (FA 35mm)



Mesquite Sand Dunes, Death Valley National Park, California (FA 35mm)
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Re: Pentax 645d Reivew and Samples..
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2011, 06:05:29 pm »

you've done a LOT and amazingly in the past 6 months! Great 'samples'!!!!!
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Re: Pentax 645d Review and Samples..
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2011, 09:50:15 pm »


Your work really shows that the camera is secondary to the photographer. It wouldn't matter what camera you used, your results would be solid.
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Re: Pentax 645d Review and Samples..
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2011, 10:04:07 pm »

Thank you for this posting. I have been contemplating purchasing a Pentax 645D and your beautiful images are pushing me in the positive direction to do so. I have a feeling that I should wait for the next upgrade either in software, or lens design. Any news about anything being upgraded in the near future?

Darr
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Re: Pentax 645d Review and Samples..
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2011, 09:25:55 am »

WOW! There's no arguing with those results! Great work.

However i cant remember what you said about the camera after looking at your images- which says something in itself ;)
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Re: Pentax 645d Review and Samples..
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2011, 09:52:44 am »

Your work really shows that the camera is secondary to the photographer.

+1.

Wow, what a fantastic first post!!  Thanks, Harklee, for both your thoughts on the camera and the superb "samples" :).  

Possibly my favorite first post ever.
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Re: Pentax 645d Review and Samples..
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2011, 11:00:05 am »

Great review, Hark and awesome pictures! :)

I will start with the one thing you can improve today  :): http://www.pentaxwebstore.com/detail/PTX+39892 with larger button and also fully waterproof.

About the lenses from 2013 Pentax will market the new 30-70/(probably) f 4.5 which will directly replace both the 33-55/f4.5 and the 45-85/f4.5 and for some users the 35/f3.5 prime if the weight and about half a stop of light are not vital. Those three lenses costs about 7000 USD new today and weight over 2 kilos combined.

The FA 45 seems universally dismissed by the 645D users and it is the complete opposite of the universally acclaimed 120/f4 Macro.

The next generation of this camera with a much faster image processor, larger sensor and dual SDXC U(ltra)H(igh)S(peed) cards will for sure be a very important progress.

Regards,
Radu
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Re: Pentax 645d Review and Samples..
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2011, 11:11:21 am »

Hello Darr!

Besides the new D FA 25/f4 lens that was launched on 2nd of April the official lens roadmap is here: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=51261

More important is that Pentax USA got a new allocation of 645Ds and lenses and the official dealers have them in stock again for the first time since January or February.

Regards,
Radu
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Re: Pentax 645d Review and Samples..
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2011, 03:10:48 pm »

Hi Radu,

A question...
I've tried the new WP remote but what perplexes me is that when you press the large top button, it is a single click so that once pressed with a AF lens...the camera focuses and fires in one step. One cannot seperate these two steps with the main button.  This is unlike past remotes (or the shutter button) where one can press halfway down so the camera can focus and then hold there until ready to fire the shutter, at which time one continues pressing the rest of the way.  The second smaller button down on the remote, if I recall correctly will AF the lens but thats all.  It's cumbersome to press that second button to Af then remove finger and go to top button to fire.   If this is the way it was designed to work...it was somewhat disappointing. Thanks for any insight.

Dave (DandA)
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Re: Pentax 645d Review and Samples..
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2011, 04:14:38 pm »

Hi Dave!

I am sorry but I don't think I can shed any light on the matter since I don't own neither the remote nor the 645D but I guess Pentax made and markets this remote firstly with the waterproof digicam series in mind (hence the "zoom button" for example). Pentax dslrs and I am sure the 645D have 2 settings in Menu -> Custom setting that control the camera behavior (AF and release in Bulb mode) when operated via a remote.

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Radu
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Re: Pentax 645d Review and Samples..
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2011, 04:52:00 pm »

Hi Radu,

Thanks fro your reply.  Yes, I did find it odd since they are promoting this wireless release for the 645D.  I will have to look in the menu settings if its possible to seperate focus and shutter release but even if possible, I don't know if this particular remote would seperate the two...since the large top button seems to have only one point of contact.  In wired remotes and on the actual shutter release button...there are two points of contacts...one to initiate Af in the lens and a further press initiates firing of the shutter.  I don't believe this remote has that capability.

Dave (DandA)
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Re: Pentax 645d Review and Samples..
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2011, 10:19:39 am »

Thanks for your kind words,

Next upgrade either in software, or lens design. Any news about anything being upgraded in the near future?

Darr, I think the next generation camera is more than 1.5 years away, a number of new lenses are in the works. The D-FA 25mm is now available and as Radu kindly pointed out, looks like D-FA 30-70mm will find its way in a few years.

I will start with the one thing you can improve today  :): http://www.pentaxwebstore.com/detail/PTX+39892 with larger button and also fully waterproof.
Haha, thanks for the suggestion, I will definitely try this.

About the lenses from 2013 Pentax will market the new 30-70/(probably) f 4.5 which will directly replace both the 33-55/f4.5 and the 45-85/f4.5 and for some users the 35/f3.5 prime if the weight and about half a stop of light are not vital. Those three lenses costs about 7000 USD new today and weight over 2 kilos combined.

That will be a valuable addition to the line-up. I will be the first one in line to try this lens if Pentax can keep up the quality.

- Hark
« Last Edit: April 11, 2011, 10:21:59 am by harklee »
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Re: Pentax 645d Review and Samples..
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2011, 07:43:02 am »

Wow, quite the field test!  Wonderful images. and a very thorough and yet succinct evaluation.   
I’m surprised at your WB comments however, I find the 645D’s WB very accurate.  I am switching from film-based MF however, so if fluorescent lighting isn’t green, it’s enough to impress me  :)

A few questions:

Can you elaborate on the 35mm A vs FA comment?  The FA seems to suffer some field curvature in reports I seen, whereas I see little evidence of that in the A version; is this the basis of your comment?

ISO 100 vs 200, why the preference - DR, noise?

Any HDR or exposure blending in your images.  There is a lot of detail in the foregrounds, with a very bright sky.

Great set.

Regards,

Tom


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