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Epson Premium Luster
« on: January 07, 2011, 11:08:48 am »

Does Canon have a version of Epsons Premium Luster?
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Re: Epson Premium Luster
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2011, 01:10:40 pm »

Why don't you just use the Epson Premium Luster?

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Re: Epson Premium Luster
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2011, 01:14:29 pm »

Where would I get a profile for my Canon ipf8100 and Epson Luster?
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Re: Epson Premium Luster
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2011, 01:21:13 pm »

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Re: Epson Premium Luster
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2011, 04:53:42 pm »

Where would I get a profile for my Canon ipf8100 and Epson Luster?

At someone that makes custom profiles:
E.g.
Digital Dog
RPimaging
Inkjet Art
Eric Chan

and probably a dozen more out there......

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Re: Epson Premium Luster
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2011, 11:19:52 pm »

To get the ball rolling, why not try one of the Canon profiles you already have for a similar paper, (say for a semi-matt or similar). It won't be perfect, but it may be close enough to get you printing. You may even get lucky and it's a perfect match!
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Re: Epson Premium Luster
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2011, 01:05:51 am »

Yes its made by Premier Imaging, who by the way made the first way before epson ever did.  When they released the 9600 printer they did not have a paper that wa worth a damn that was coated.  They basically copied the Premier paper.  I helped design that paper for premier and its a great paper.  Epson thru me out of there booth when I rolled the paper out in there booth in 2007, I did it to embass them they would release a printer without and paper support. 

Canon does not want to be in the paper business but would rather work with all the good paper companies.  By the way Epson does not make there paper like most companies, they are private labeling the papers.  Tim
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Re: Epson Premium Luster
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2011, 05:13:11 am »

Does Canon have a version of Epsons Premium Luster?
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Both the Canon Pearl Photo RC 260gsm and the Canon Glacier Photo Quality RC 300gsm have similar surfaces but do not resemble Epson Premium Luster RC on the spectral plots.

The Epson Premium Luster RC spectral plot is very similar to the Pictorico GKB Pro Premium Luster RC (based on Mitsubishi MPM Gecco) and the FujiFilm Satin RC plot is not that different either. You could check the papers there and see whether they have Canon ICC profiles in their support. Custom profiles will be better though.


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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2011, 04:11:57 pm »

Yes its made by Premier Imaging, who by the way made the first way before epson ever did.  When they released the 9600 printer they did not have a paper that wa worth a damn that was coated.  They basically copied the Premier paper.  I helped design that paper for premier and its a great paper.  Epson thru me out of there booth when I rolled the paper out in there booth in 2007, I did it to embass them they would release a printer without and paper support. 

Canon does not want to be in the paper business but would rather work with all the good paper companies.  By the way Epson does not make there paper like most companies, they are private labeling the papers.  Tim

In 2007 you tried to embarrass Epson in relation to the 9600, a printer that was out of production at that time?

Tell me, Tim, which printers was the Premier Imaging paper that you helped to design, designed for, and when was it designed?
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Re: Epson Premium Luster
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2011, 09:07:49 pm »

I don't know anything about Canon printers, but I'm assuming the 8100 and 6100 use the same ink set.

If so, you might want to consider the Inkjetart Micro Ceramic Luster, which is very similar if not the same as the Epson Premium Luster. I see they have a stock profile for the Canon ipf 6100.

You can download the profile here: http://www.inkjetart.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi

Here's a description of the Inkjetart Micro Ceramic Luster and available sizes: http://www.inkjetart.com/cart/micro-ceramic-luster-c-1_753_850_1151_1158.html

I do not work for or have any connection with Inkjetart, but I use their Micro Ceramic Luster and Micro Ceramic Gloss because it comes in certain roll and sheet sizes that are not available for the comparable Epson products and I find virtually no difference between the Inkjetart Micro Ceramic Luster and Gloss and the Epson Ultra Premium Photo Paper Luster and Gloss.
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Re: Epson Premium Luster
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2011, 01:09:17 am »

In 2007 Epson still did not have any coated exhibition grade Luster paper which is why I rolled out an 80 inch photo printed with the 9600 on Premier Heavy weight exhibition Luster paper to get there attention..  I don't remember exactly when the paper was made but it was for the Epson 9600 printer.  I remember that because Epson sent me the the 9600 printer to test and I was working on papers for it.  The point was is that they were releasing printers with no papers that really were designed for it.  I bring that date up because I remember they kicking me out of there booth.  

I believe any of the coated papers will work just fine on the Canon.  But you might want to try the 600 high pass settings on gloss papers first.  Hey, Farmer are you Brad's father, if so nice B&W images.  Go Packers Go  Tim
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Re: Epson Premium Luster
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2011, 01:43:38 am »

I bring that date up because I remember they kicking me out of there booth.  

You sure about that bud? Exactly when and where are you claiming "Epson kicked you out of their booth"?

Look bud...I've got a real good memory...been around a long time ya know? You want to be real friggin' careful when you start making claims...ya know what I mean? Been there, got the tee shirt and the scars...you sure you want them?
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2011, 12:39:00 pm »

Yes, I'm sure about that and I had a few friends with me when they did that.  The paper was released slightly after that show.  When the printer was released they did not have a exhibition luster paper for the printer.  It was at the PMA 2007 show after we all got back from Antartica.  Surely Jeff, you know that because your print was on display on there watercolor paper and I had a long chat with Dano from Epson.  And remember I've been around along time too since 1994.  I've been working with printers making Inkjet Pigment photographs .  I remember this clearly because the image I rolled out to get Epson's attention was the Iceberg from Graveyard of the Icebergs.  My only goal was to get more printer or paper companies was to manufacture more exhibition luster paper .  I had been meeting with Epson paper division since I believe 1999 maybe 98.  Because when more minds or talent make papers then we all win in the end.

When they send you printers and they ask for feedback and the change is slow, sometimes you have to come out swinging or show them what others are doing to make a change.  That was the point I was making.  By the way I'm not saying Epson hasn't done some amazing things they have and after talking to you Jeff even you can't say your happy with everything  a company does or their lack of response time to fix things,  Thats the point I was trying to make!!!!!

And Premier copied the paper that looked like Kodak Elite or Oriental.  
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Re: Epson Premium Luster
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2011, 03:31:08 pm »

When the printer was released they did not have a exhibition luster paper for the printer.

You talking about "Luster" or "Fiber"?

Luster is a type of RC based papers Epson has sold for a long time. Epson's "Exhibition Fiber Paper" is a fiber based paper that shipped end of 2007 beginning of 2008 (pretty sure it was "shown" at Photo Expo in 2007, the press release I have is for Oct. 8, 2007). A bunch of papers from several companies were released in that time frame with similar surfaces for photo black inks instead of matte surfaces for matte black inks.

As for Epson sending you a 9600 printer in 2007, I wonder why they would do that since they started shipping the 9800 in 2005 (the announcement was May 10, 2005). You sure it wasn't a 9800 they sent you?

BTW, a lof of people have meetings with the Epson paper folks...and some have had more influence than others. Prolly the most influential has been Mac Holbert and perhaps Greg Gorman and JP Caponigro.

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By the way I'm not saying Epson hasn't done some amazing things they have and after talking to you Jeff even you can't say your happy with everything  a company does or their lack of response time to fix things,  Thats the point I was trying to make!!!!!

If I do say something about a company on a public forum, I like to have my facts straight. I also tend to avoid trying to poke them in the eye with a pointed stick. But hey, that's just me.
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Re: Epson Premium Luster
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2011, 05:01:25 pm »

Thanks for asking the "fibre" vs "lustre" question, Schewe - that's exactly what I was wondering because Epson certainly have had Premium Lustre long before 2007 and as you say it was around then that Exhibition Fibre / Traditional Photo was on the cards.  In fact, Exhibition Fibre was press released October 8, 2007.

Lustre from Epson was out when the 2000p and 1270 were current models.
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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2011, 05:10:21 pm »

I don't believe I said they sent me the printer in 2007.  It was sent to me before that when it was released.  If I did then that's my fault for not reproof reading.  I'm talking about Luster or papers that print like luster.  Just so you know I was printing with Epson way back when the 9000 was released in Pigment.  WE modified the printer to except pigment.  But getting back to the subject.  

So my dates were correct.  I've been meeting with Epson Paper division since I believe, Late 1999.  So Like I said they released the 9600 without having an exhibition grade coated paper that was similar to the Luster or Exhibition Fiber.  They did have some very nice watercolor papers at the time but not coated luster like printing surface.  T
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2011, 09:37:05 pm »

Ummm, no.  Epson Premium Lustre was released in 2000.  So if you rocked up to a trade show in 2007 to complain about the lack of such a paper, you were very late to the party.

If you wanted to complain about the lack of what Epson calls Exhibition Fibre/Traditional Photo, then if you were there before October you had a point, except that since it was released in October 2007 they were obviously working on the release well ahead of that.
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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2011, 03:20:55 am »

First Fiber papers were announced end of 2005, early 2006. What exactly falls in that category is open to debate. There were non-RC glossy papers before that time if I recall it correctly. Some gelatine coated papers for dye inks for example.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/Museo_Silver_Rag.shtml
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/Innova-F.shtml
Januari 2007 more brands had fiber papers available:
http://www.inkjetbuzz.com/tips/2007-01-26.html

The Epson Exhibition Fiber / Traditional Photo (EU) paper is very similar to the Innova IFA49. Hard to say what the origin is anyway, Pictorico (Mitsubishi) has a similar quality and there are more. The IFA49 was available before October 2006, the EEF a year later.


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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2011, 04:30:50 am »

How about the subject?

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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2011, 04:44:53 am »

Wasn't that answered and solved within the first eight messages?

Of course it would have been nice if the thread starter gave some feedback on what he has done since and whether that solved his problem. That is what I sometimes miss with requests like that, a positive or negative answer that could help people with the same problem later on.

That a thread takes another course after answering the raised topic is not something I bother about as much. You can hardly justify a new thread for what is the topic now.


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