Topic: Will Phase One ever be supported by Aperture? (Read 4758 times)

Bernhard · « **on:** February 09, 2010, 04:06:37 pm »

just, wondering about phase one and aperture since leaf and hassy files can be open there

http://www.apple.com/aperture/specs/raw.html

hoping for something better, still using C1 3.8 and sometimes the new 5 but there seems always be something they're missing, lightroom can't get P1 colors right

the new aperture looks promising

Bernhard Kristinn

Doug Peterson · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2010, 06:20:58 pm »

Export to DNG = Instant Semi-Support

Phase is very open about it's file format. Anyone can support them and many do (as evidenced by support by Raw Developer, RPP, LightRoom, ACR, C1, etc).

That said, I too hope Apple will add support soon. Given Phase's dominant market share you would think wouldn't you?

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Bernhard · « **Reply #2 on:** February 09, 2010, 06:23:29 pm »

Quote from: dougpetersonci

Export to DNG = Instant Support

thanks Doug, do you know if there any downside in the DNG conversion?

Doug Peterson · « **Reply #3 on:** February 09, 2010, 06:57:20 pm »

Quote from: Bernhard

thanks Doug, do you know if there any downside in the DNG conversion?

1) it takes more time (in workflow) than native support - albeit C1 can export to DNG at the rate of about a frame per second so it's not THAT much more time, but annoying none-the-less
2) it removes from the file the black-calibration data and some of the proprietary data (e.g. sensor temperature) which is used by Capture One (when processing in C1) to reduce noise for long exposures and high ISO files

That is all I know of.

Bare in mind that without creating specific support for a camera that any software will be hit-or-miss for color. So one Phase One back may look ok in Aperture after DNG conversion, another may look great, and another one may look poor. Also since color is only partially scientific and largely aesthetic personal taste your opinion may vary from mine or someone else's.

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Brad Proctor · « **Reply #4 on:** February 09, 2010, 07:31:26 pm »

Quote from: Bernhard

do you know if there any downside in the DNG conversion?

Flame war begins in 3... 2... 1...

mtomalty · « **Reply #5 on:** February 09, 2010, 11:42:36 pm »

Quote from: dougpetersonci

2) it removes from the file the black-calibration data and some of the proprietary data (e.g. sensor temperature) which is used by Capture One (when processing in C1) to reduce noise for long exposures and high ISO files

That is all I know of.

I would imagine Lens Cast Calibration is also unavailable in Aperture

Mark

jimgolden · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2010, 11:47:37 pm »

no it won't

Doug Peterson · « **Reply #7 on:** February 09, 2010, 11:55:40 pm »

Quote from: mtomalty

I would imagine Lens Cast Calibration is also unavailable in Aperture

Mark

True, but the question was about the limitations of exporting to a DNG not about the limitations of Aperture.

There are many very useful features (especially regarding image processing quality) that are available in C1 and not in Aperture.

Likewise there are many great features in Aperture not available in C1.

This was not related to DNG however.

amsp · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2010, 06:19:26 am »

Quote from: Bernhard

...lightroom can't get P1 colors right

Sure it can, you just need to make a calibration profile for your camera.

JDG · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2010, 09:54:51 am »

Quote from: Bernhard

do you know if there any downside in the DNG conversion?

The files will also be much larger since the same level of lossless compression is not supported.

Barkeeper · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:15:19 am »

Quote from: Bernhard

just, wondering about phase one and aperture since leaf and hassy files can be open there

http://www.apple.com/aperture/specs/raw.html

Bernhard Kristinn

Hello,

I know this i no solution for you, but the latest Hasselblad Cameras are NOT supported in Aperture3.

Hasselblad changed the raw file (3FR is now compressed) so the files are no longer supported in Aperture or "Preview / QuickLook".

Only "old" files are supported...

So we are sitting in the same boat...

Barkeeper

Bernhard · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2010, 04:14:39 pm »

Quote from: Barkeeper

Hello,

I know this i no solution for you, but the latest Hasselblad Cameras are NOT supported in Aperture3.

Hasselblad changed the raw file (3FR is now compressed) so the files are no longer supported in Aperture or "Preview / QuickLook".

Only "old" files are supported...

So we are sitting in the same boat...

Barkeeper

Thanks all for your helpful reply's. Seems like C1 is the way to go. Would be nice to have it all in one software, combination of C1, Bridge, iViewMediaPro and Photoshop (Photoshop will of course always be there)

It's easy to understand P1 don't want others to support their backs in order to keep the sales up on C1

Bernhard Kristinn

Doug Peterson · « **Reply #12 on:** February 10, 2010, 06:12:37 pm »

Quote from: Bernhard

Thanks all for your helpful reply's. Seems like C1 is the way to go. Would be nice to have it all in one software, combination of C1, Bridge, iViewMediaPro and Photoshop (Photoshop will of course always be there)

It's easy to understand P1 don't want others to support their backs in order to keep the sales up on C1

Bernhard Kristinn

This is absolutely untrue.

1) Capture One is FREE to use with Phase One digital backs. No restrictions. No registration. No license. Nothing. FREE.
2) Capture One offers DNG output so you can use any phase one raw file with ANY raw processing software
3) Phase One has always been very open with their raw format. Adobe Camera Raw, LightRoom, Irrident Raw Developer, RPP, and Capture One can all carry support for most Phase One digital backs.

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Doug Peterson · « **Reply #13 on:** February 10, 2010, 06:18:15 pm »

Quote from: Bernhard

Thanks all for your helpful reply's. Seems like C1 is the way to go. Would be nice to have it all in one software, combination of C1, Bridge, iViewMediaPro and Photoshop (Photoshop will of course always be there)

That would be nice! Aperture 3 looks really nice.

If we could just get Bridge's simplicity, C1's processing/tethering/editing-speed, Photoshop's retouching power, and Aperture extensive cataloging/printing/book-making/web feature-set in one program we'd really have it made.

Unfortunately in my experience products excel wherever their priorities are, and by definition you cannot have everything as a priority.

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Bernhard · « **Reply #14 on:** February 10, 2010, 06:40:51 pm »

Quote from: dougpetersonci

This is absolutely untrue.

1) Capture One is FREE to use with Phase One digital backs. No restrictions. No registration. No license. Nothing. FREE.
2) Capture One offers DNG output so you can use any phase one raw file with ANY raw processing software
3) Phase One has always been very open with their raw format. Adobe Camera Raw, LightRoom, Irrident Raw Developer, RPP, and Capture One can all carry support for most Phase One digital backs.

Of course the DB version is free, but if one wants work with P1 and Dslr files side by side in raw editing there's price tag of 400$... and the competition is hard with Lightroom and Aperture selling for 1/2 that price!

But don't get me wrong Doug. C1 is a great program and gives me the best color and details from both my P45+ and Dslr. Just being greedy and wanting it all in one package

Bernhard Kristinn

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