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« Reply #240 on: March 11, 2010, 08:34:22 am »

I am a Pentax user, and currently own many A and M primes that I use on dslr. So I really have a special feeling for this brand and hope they will make it.
Just want to ad that I have not said that "it is not a game changer" but "it does not smell a game changer but a nice alternative", so I'm not affirming anything, just a feeling that hope will be wrong.
About built quality, is probably high, like the latest Pentax have demostrated to be so. I have no doubt on that terrain that built quality is great.
The fact that it is a cropped sensor is indeed not a very good news for the 645 lenses owners and it will be very important that Pentax released fast an all range of lenses. But, let's see how the market reacts. It will be very interesting to see the next future Nikon-Canon models, and how the Pentax handle the competition.

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« Reply #241 on: March 11, 2010, 08:39:32 am »

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« Reply #242 on: March 11, 2010, 08:43:52 am »

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« Reply #243 on: March 11, 2010, 09:00:12 am »

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More pictures of the thing...

I want THIS version. But I can't imagine that I'd be let on the plane.

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs...tax_20.jpg.html
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« Reply #244 on: March 11, 2010, 09:13:35 am »

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More pictures of the thing...

Nice lineup of legacy? lenses.
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs...tax_30.jpg.html

Hope by Photokina they'll announce more D FA lenses with weather-sealing, supersonic motor and round diaphragm:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10031001pentax55mm.asp
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« Reply #245 on: March 11, 2010, 10:03:47 am »

It would be great if Phase One were to respond with an updated version of the Mamiya ZD camera body

with similar features as Pentax 645D.

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« Reply #246 on: March 11, 2010, 10:23:25 am »

The posting of site owner Michael Reichmann about the Leica form-factor comes to mind......why did pentax choose to shape the body to a classic 645 formfactor? I can only see two reasons: 1) use of legacy lenses that need the lens to sensor distance, 2) CCD allows no liveview/evf so an optical viewfinder + mirror is still needed.

It begs the question, agian: when will "we" be able to break away....
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« Reply #247 on: March 11, 2010, 12:28:19 pm »

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The posting of site owner Michael Reichmann about the Leica form-factor comes to mind......why did pentax choose to shape the body to a classic 645 formfactor? I can only see two reasons: 1) use of legacy lenses that need the lens to sensor distance, 2) CCD allows no liveview/evf so an optical viewfinder + mirror is still needed.

It begs the question, agian: when will "we" be able to break away....

The "issue" of Live View comes up in discussions related to MFD.  Is non-tethered live view possible with CCD sensors or is it an issue of increased costs, etc.?

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« Reply #248 on: March 11, 2010, 12:57:00 pm »

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The "issue" of Live View comes up in discussions related to MFD.  Is non-tethered live view possible with CCD sensors or is it an issue of increased costs, etc.?

Steve


Live view directly on the LCD of the camera is not technically possible with CCD's.
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« Reply #249 on: March 11, 2010, 01:03:52 pm »

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Live view directly on the LCD of the camera is not technically possible with CCD's.

I saw something, one year at Photo East, with a Leaf back. There was some sort of cryptic b/w grainy image, very slow refresh, that showed up on a CCD Leaf back in LiveView mode. Or did I dream that? I'm not sure how usable it was; it felt like one of those B/W sonograms that you get of your baby, before it's born, at the mall.

If anyone needs LiveView, I just installed this device on my 5d2, and it's built like a tank. Very rugged and precision device. Very soft rubber eyecup if you wear glasses to shoot. Awesome precious diopter adjustment device. Highly recommended:

http://www.zacuto.com/z-finder-dslr-viewfinder

(That's me, in the video).

Next step: how to learn to shoot fast with LiveView. Some of my friends have mastered it. Doubleclick on zoomer to go to 10x, then focus then shoot.
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« Reply #250 on: March 11, 2010, 01:10:24 pm »

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The posting of site owner Michael Reichmann about the Leica form-factor comes to mind......why did pentax choose to shape the body to a classic 645 formfactor? I can only see two reasons: 1) use of legacy lenses that need the lens to sensor distance, 2) CCD allows no liveview/evf so an optical viewfinder + mirror is still needed.
It begs the question, agian: when will "we" be able to break away....


the camera is very ergonomic in the hand, more so IMO than the H2 and definitely more than the AFD models from Mamiya/P1.

the only thing IMO that beats the Pentax 645 for ergonomics IMO is the Leaf AFi/Hy6 bodies, that rotating grip is just like butter in the hand, man! but with a pricetag to match.

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« Reply #251 on: March 11, 2010, 01:40:38 pm »

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the camera is very ergonomic in the hand, more so IMO than the H2 and definitely more than the AFD models from Mamiya/P1.

the only thing IMO that beats the Pentax 645 for ergonomics IMO is the Leaf AFi/Hy6 bodies, that rotating grip is just like butter in the hand, man! but with a pricetag to match.

-Dan

Thats funny, I find the AFd to be much better handling than the H, at least after about five minutes.  

The 6008 has the same or similar grip, and can be had for what, $1800 or so?

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« Reply #252 on: March 11, 2010, 01:48:30 pm »

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It would be great if Phase One were to respond with an updated version of the Mamiya ZD camera body

with similar features as Pentax 645D.

Maybe, but I keep thinking . . .

Which is more important, creativity in images or a new camera?

The high end cameras to me seem to be locked in the past, with formats that we call medium (which I think is now something like 6 frame sizes)  or ff 35mm and though they can produce a still image of amazing detail, that usually does nothing for creativity.

We are ooohing and ahhing about the new Pentax, I think mostly because of it's 1/2 price  cost and near dslr usability, but in reality even if it was sold on your local street corner today what can you shoot with it that you can't shoot with a used Hasselblad, Contax, with almost any digital back?

It might look 25% different to the photographer but to the paying client or the end viewing consumer what is really that different?

Cameras are made to tell a story, whether it' one frame or 500,000 frames, it's all about the creativity not the pixel depth, the smoothness in graduation, the bigger brighter viewfinder.

I think it's interesting that for the Hurt Locker, that swept the Academy Awards, Katheryn Bigelow's crew chose Aaton 16mm cameras to show multiple perspectives and a Phantom HD 1,000 fps camera for drama in the explosions.

http://blog.abelcine.com/2010/03/08/the-hu...nematic-ground/

Her camera package and film costs were probably less than James Cameron's Latte budget and though even with that I'm sure there is some forum post on some forum that says if she'd only shot it with a 70mm it would have won 3 more Awards.

This is a funny business, cause nobody initially hires you for anything but the image, the creativity, maybe your production values/professionalism.

Actually nearly everyone that works in editorial and commerce could (I didn't say should, I just said could) shoot their portfolio and reel on a panasonic 4/3's camera and if the work is compelling enough to get attention, then on the day your commissioned you can go to any equipment the  budget can afford whether it be a RED, a 65 million pixel digital back or anything you desire and that your client will accept.

http://tinyurl.com/yj2jb87

So when I think finally a medium format camera with a decent lcd for 10 grand I start thinking hmm, 10 grand goes a long way to shooting something interesting, maybe something I haven't shot before . . .  20 to 30 grand personal project, now that's an investment that will pay off.

But . . . If you really want to improve the look of  your imagery, send a color calibrator to your potential clients, either than or buy an I-Mac and just image everything at that retina burning blue setting they come out of the box with.

IMO

BC
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« Reply #253 on: March 11, 2010, 02:10:23 pm »

Quote from: David Grover / Hasselblad
Live view directly on the LCD of the camera is not technically possible with CCD's.

Thanks, that is what I thought but after reading "When is MFD back mfg going to have live view" so many times, I though that I would ask.  

This may be going out too far out into the weeds but with the high MP backs, critical focusing is very important and live view, with variable magnification,  would be helpful.  What are the +- for CCD vs CMOS vs benefit of live view for MFD backs?  (or is that a wrong assumption and MF AF is superior to manual focus?)

Steve
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« Reply #254 on: March 11, 2010, 02:17:30 pm »

ofcourse it's about creativity, salesmanship and other talents to be successful and not "who owns the most expensive stuff". Nobody will deny that.

The excitement in this thread is similar as the excitement about HD video in DSLR's. It allows people to do stuff or gives them just plain access to gear they could otherwise not budget for.

The excitement for the Pentax is simple: it is the expectation that it gives medium format "bang" for a lot less "bucks".

Wether or not you need medium-format 'bang' is a different discussion.
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« Reply #255 on: March 11, 2010, 03:11:19 pm »

Have you seen this? more photos of 645D from show at yokohama Japan. you can click photos to enlarge it. looks very nice.pentax 645D
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« Reply #256 on: March 11, 2010, 03:31:06 pm »

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This is a funny business, cause nobody initially hires you for anything but the image, the creativity, maybe your production values/professionalism.

Actually nearly everyone that works in editorial and commerce could (I didn't say should, I just said could) shoot their portfolio and reel on a panasonic 4/3's camera and if the work is compelling enough to get attention, then on the day your commissioned you can go to any equipment the  budget can afford whether it be a RED, a 65 million pixel digital back or anything you desire and that your client will accept.

BC

Funny you say that.

I've decided to build up a portofolio again, and I'm using a dSLR and a 50mm lens for the sample shots. The work is going into the poses and into the lighting, not in using a big camera, and I'm now looking for a specific type of model. But it took me quite a few years to understand that, and I will always be a better technician than creator.

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« Reply #257 on: March 11, 2010, 03:46:22 pm »

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the camera is very ergonomic in the hand, more so IMO than the H2 and definitely more than the AFD models from Mamiya/P1.

the only thing IMO that beats the Pentax 645 for ergonomics IMO is the Leaf AFi/Hy6 bodies, that rotating grip is just like butter in the hand, man! but with a pricetag to match.

-Dan


That H series ain't too hard to beat when it comes to ergonomics.  maybe the worst camera I've ever held.
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« Reply #258 on: March 11, 2010, 03:56:37 pm »

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Actually nearly everyone that works in editorial and commerce could (I didn't say should, I just said could) shoot their portfolio and reel on a panasonic 4/3's camera and if the work is compelling enough to get attention, then on the day your commissioned you can go to any equipment the  budget can afford whether it be a RED, a 65 million pixel digital back or anything you desire and that your client will accept.

Here's a guy that had a vision, passion, knowledge of fashion, and a sissy little Canon camera, and he's put himself on the map with just following people down the street:

http://thesartorialist.blogspot.com/
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« Reply #259 on: March 11, 2010, 03:58:46 pm »

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That H series ain't too hard to beat when it comes to ergonomics.  maybe the worst camera I've ever held.

I find it  amusing to hear photographers talk about ergonomics in such absolute terms.

There is VERY little about ergonomics which is objective.

Even something like a vertical grip is not the universal preference you'd think it is; I've met more than one photographer who preferred to hold the camera up-and-over rather than with a vertical grip even when available. Not my choice by a long shot - but that's the point - ergonomics are almost entirely a subjective preference.

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