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« Reply #140 on: March 09, 2010, 10:37:48 pm »

The specs on the new Pentax are pretty impressive..can't wait for reports of end user experience.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10031002pentax645d.asp

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« Reply #141 on: March 09, 2010, 10:41:10 pm »

The more I look at these specs I wonder... isn't this the rumored Nikon MF camera?

I have a hard time believing that Pentax managed to develop all these breakthrough technologies by themselves:

- First MF dust removal
- First MF multi-point AF
- First MF weather sealing
- First MF high resolution screen
- First MF camera usable in real outdoor conditions including very cold weather
- ...

Cheers,
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« Reply #142 on: March 09, 2010, 10:41:19 pm »

What about the 11 point AF? I thought it was impossible to even have 3 point AF according to other MF manufactures?

Pentax has always made great stuff under market value of the other MF companies and seem to be continuing the tradition with the 645D. I can't wait it for it to be availble in the us, or at least English menu versions available gray market.
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« Reply #143 on: March 09, 2010, 10:42:12 pm »

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The specs on the new Pentax are pretty impressive..can't wait for reports of end user experience.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/1003/10031002pentax645d.asp

Steve


Having never purchased a gray market camera before, how long the wait til one could find a source, and would one really want to spend 10K on a new un-proven or first series design?

Not sure it would be worth the potential headache, but it would be worth the K's if it were sold here...
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« Reply #144 on: March 09, 2010, 10:53:43 pm »

As I repeatedly said, Pentax MF lenses are second to none. Many did not believe the MF lenses can out-resolve high pixel density 35mm DSLR sensor, but since I posted this (Pentax 67 90-180mm/f5.6 zoom on 5DII sensor, full frame resolution chart, 100% pixel) all was silence...

http://forums.dpreview.com/...ms/readflat....essage=30708870

For example, the P645 35mm is much better than the Mamiya or Contax counterparts, while my P67 55mm/f4 and 300mm/f4 (ED IF) are my sharpest optics, cross all the formats.

From my landscape work point of view, the serious omission of 645D is no Live View.  With recent Nikon and Canon I never look through viewfinder anymore.  DOF, super-fine error-free focus, exposure, framing, straightening horizon, ...., everything is live view, just treat the LCD a small ground glass and zooming as the loupe.
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« Reply #145 on: March 09, 2010, 11:07:27 pm »

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The more I look at these specs I wonder... isn't this the rumored Nikon MF camera?

I have a hard time believing that Pentax managed to develop all these breakthrough technologies by themselves:

- First MF dust removal
- First MF multi-point AF
- First MF weather sealing
- First MF high resolution screen
- First MF camera usable in real outdoor conditions including very cold weather
- ...

Cheers,
Bernard

You know Pentax has been making cameras for a while now?  

All those technologies you list are technologies that have previously appeared in Pentax's APS-C lineup. The dust removal? Olympus did it first, Pentax and everyone else have developed their own since. The multi-point AF? It's an adaptation of the AF in the DSLRs, and it's mentioned that they made some modifications to the 645D's optical path to enable it. Doesn't sound like Nikon work to me.   Weathersealing? Pentax has the broadest available combination of weathersealed bodies and lenses across the whole price range. The high-resolution screen has been seen on the K-7, as far as I know (and plenty of other DSLRs as well). And finally, the K-7 has the distinction of being the only DSLR in its class (or possibly at all) to be rated for extremely low temperature work.

None of that is so hard to believe if you ask me.    I don't see the hand of Nikon in there anywhere. Don't be afraid to give credit where the credit's due.  Pentax may be a relatively small force in today's market, but back in the day they first popularized the SLR, before those young guns like Canon and Nikon came in and stepped up the game.
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« Reply #146 on: March 09, 2010, 11:17:12 pm »

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From my landscape work point of view, the serious omission of 645D is no Live View.  With recent Nikon and Canon I never look through viewfinder anymore.  DOF, super-fine error-free focus, exposure, framing, straightening horizon, ...., everything is live view, just treat the LCD a small ground glass and zooming as the loupe.

Yep... same thing here... AF and the naked eye are not always reliable enough with these resolutions (they sometimes are).

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Bernard

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« Reply #147 on: March 09, 2010, 11:18:40 pm »

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You know Pentax has been making cameras for a while now?  

All those technologies you list are technologies that have previously appeared in Pentax's APS-C lineup. The dust removal? Olympus did it first, Pentax and everyone else have developed their own since. The multi-point AF? It's an adaptation of the AF in the DSLRs, and it's mentioned that they made some modifications to the 645D's optical path to enable it. Doesn't sound like Nikon work to me.   Weathersealing? Pentax has the broadest available combination of weathersealed bodies and lenses across the whole price range. The high-resolution screen has been seen on the K-7, as far as I know (and plenty of other DSLRs as well). And finally, the K-7 has the distinction of being the only DSLR in its class (or possibly at all) to be rated for extremely low temperature work.

None of that is so hard to believe if you ask me.    I don't see the hand of Nikon in there anywhere. Don't be afraid to give credit where the credit's due.  Pentax may be a relatively small force in today's market, but back in the day they first popularized the SLR, before those young guns like Canon and Nikon came in and stepped up the game.

Yes, you are probably correct.  

Splendid specs anyway!

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #148 on: March 09, 2010, 11:21:41 pm »

Pentax may be a relatively small force in today's market,
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Maybe in the camera market but Hoya wanted them for their other "optical' divisions exp. medical;  endoscopes etc.  I think of Hoya as a manufacturer of camera filters but their sales are ~$3 billion a year including special glass for the National Ignition Facility at Lawrence Livermore.

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« Reply #149 on: March 09, 2010, 11:22:54 pm »

Groundglass is 1.7x bigger and if AF specs deliver...
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Yes, you are probably correct.  

Splendid specs anyway!

Cheers,
Bernard
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« Reply #150 on: March 09, 2010, 11:46:44 pm »

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Pentax may be a relatively small force in today's market,
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Maybe in the camera market but Hoya wanted them for their other "optical' divisions exp. medical;  endoscopes etc.  I think of Hoya as a manufacturer of camera filters but their sales are ~$3 billion a year including special glass for the National Ignition Facility at Lawrence Livermore.

Steve

...not to mention supplying most of the glass elements for most of the lens manufacturers aside from Canon.    A lot more going on there than just filters...

Hoya did also acquire Pentax for its camera division and they've been very agressive in reforming the company to make it profitable. So far they've been successful, as their figures are now in the black. Unfortunately, all that bargain Pentax glass that people like me bought into the company for in the first place has risen in price to costs on par or higher than the competition, which is why I'm looking at Canon for the lenses I want in the future... I'll still keep my Pentax to use with old K-mount glass though.  
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« Reply #151 on: March 10, 2010, 12:32:16 am »

This link leads to Google translation (quite readable) of the Pentax 645D FAQ on their Japanese site:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y...sl=ja&tl=en
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« Reply #152 on: March 10, 2010, 01:09:10 am »

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As I repeatedly said, Pentax MF lenses are second to none. Many did not believe the MF lenses can out-resolve high pixel density 35mm DSLR sensor, but since I posted this (Pentax 67 90-180mm/f5.6 zoom on 5DII sensor, full frame resolution chart, 100% pixel) all was silence...

http://forums.dpreview.com/...ms/readflat....essage=30708870

For example, the P645 35mm is much better than the Mamiya or Contax counterparts, while my P67 55mm/f4 and 300mm/f4 (ED IF) are my sharpest optics, cross all the formats.

From my landscape work point of view, the serious omission of 645D is no Live View.  With recent Nikon and Canon I never look through viewfinder anymore.  DOF, super-fine error-free focus, exposure, framing, straightening horizon, ...., everything is live view, just treat the LCD a small ground glass and zooming as the loupe.

I'm not surprised by your assertion that the pentax MF lenses out resolve 35mm DSLR lenses and sensors.  I've not used pentax anything but based on my tests with the ixpress 528c multishot back, my Rollei 6000 series lenses are out resolving the sensor even in microstep mode which gives an effective sensor spacing of 4.5 microns - less than the DSLR sensel spacing.  This is only true at apertures wider than about f/8 with the microstep - and something like f/16 and wider for the multishot.       I am really intrigued by the praise the pentax glass gets.  Mostly it seems people are raving about the optics for the 67 series not as much for the 645.  Will both lenses fit on the new body or only the 645 ones?

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« Reply #153 on: March 10, 2010, 01:20:49 am »

Yes it is in the FAQ.  67 lens through an adaptor is fine, some functions (AF confirmation with the center sensor) will work.

As far as my original reservation on live view goes, now I learned CCD sensors and live view do not go together.

Another thing to worry is the production rate is only 500 a month according to the Pentax Japanese site.  Good luck snap one!

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Mostly it seems people are raving about the optics for the 67 series not as much for the 645.  Will both lenses fit on the new body or only the 645 ones?
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« Reply #154 on: March 10, 2010, 01:21:57 am »

It's funny how that body design, which I never liked for film, seems to make so much more sense in a digital package.
And a housing not made of plastic? Nice.
The only real bummer I see is USB. But maybe in-camera JPEGs will mean USB will be fine. The RAWs could just stay on the card(s).
Whatever. I'm interested. Lotta stuff in here that we've been told many times for a while now just couldn't be done. Go figure.
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« Reply #155 on: March 10, 2010, 01:27:37 am »

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you might have noticed that i asked steve a question before: can i put the larger 22 mpix leaf 5 on a rollei? and rotate the back? i know i can put it on a RZ...i have been down that road....it makes you cry every time you look down that beautiful WLF only to see it cropped to death.....there are no options anymore....

and i know that phase backs can be put on the rollei via special order...not sure if they rotate.....but either way, i won't shoot a back anymore that locks me into one software, no matter how solid it is....workflow is so much more then raw conversion....

No, Leaf won't fit to Rollei, only option there would be Sinar (also rotating). About Phase: the backs are fixed at the body, so far I know even not removable for using somewhere else. And not rotating. So for you only option is Sinar or a used AFI-II...

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« Reply #156 on: March 10, 2010, 01:52:17 am »

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Yep. All photographers everywhere will have to shoot raw video and will have to shoot it with the same camera as they shoot their macro product photography, location high-sync-speed fashion, nighttime architectural shots, and studio portraits.
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No, not everyone shoots the same thing.  

That's obvious, though this response reminds me of the comments I heard when I moved from film to digital.  Lab's said, "our photographers only shoot film", or digital has a place, "but it's really not there for high end advertising".

In other words digital capture was something they just didn't want to talk about, much like camera makers that only make still cameras do not want to talk about motion.

There is no holy grail when it comes to imagery for commerce.  8x10 film is no more pure than a dx digital image, as long as the image is compelling and serves a purpose.  The same can be said for still to motion.  Neither one is more relevant, more traditional or more important.

Only two groups decide that . . . the artist and the people that pay the artist.

As far as the one camera fits all, no I don't think that's necessarily true or even the plan, but it's nice to have the option.

I wouldn't think about shooting stills or motion without the appropriate backups on set (for both) but then again I would much rather own (and pay for) a third camera that could back up both.

That's just good business.

But speaking of business and the Pentax if I was in the buyer's market for a 40 million pixel still camera I'd have to take a hard look at a 1 million yen camera with a high def screen, shoots raw and jpeg, is weather sealed and has dust removal vs. a traditional 2 million yen camera.

That's also good business.

IMO

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« Reply #157 on: March 10, 2010, 02:15:14 am »

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That's obvious, though this response reminds me of the comments I heard when I moved from film to digital.  Lab's said, "our photographers only shoot film", or digital has a place, "but it's really not there for high end advertising".

In other words digital capture was something they just didn't want to talk about, much like camera makers that only make still cameras do not want to talk about motion.

I think this is a key point that Master Cooter is making. All the labs lived in denial about digital, and then the tsunami washed over them, almost overnight. The pro lab in my town is now a Ghost Town, almost overnight. They never saw it coming.

I don't want to think that video would have the same effect, on the same time frame. But yes, if you saw that iPad TV spot, during The Oscars, it almost sent a chill up your spine, thinking that the publishers are chomping at the bit to publish electronically, and avoid the paper publishing overhead. I watched that iPad spot, and my jaw dropped, wondering just exactly what the time frame is for that thing to truly catch on. And how much do you think they'll value stills for that device, next to video? Don't answer that question.
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« Reply #158 on: March 10, 2010, 02:24:17 am »

Wow-if they can actually produce this thing, they're onto something. US market prices (when they get it here) are often lower than Japanese home market, so we might be looking at a camera that costs roughly as much as a D3x, but has 1.5x the pixels, a similar degree of weathersealing (although perhaps not the lenses - I don't think Pentax 645 lenses were weathersealed, and even if the new ones are, it'll take Pentax a bit to update their line), and has AF that is more akin to a DSLR than to anything else in MF. This has the potential (again, if it can actually be built) to affect both high-end DSLR sales and the low end and midrange of the MF marketplace! Of course, an impressive prototype, even if fully functional, doesn't mean they can deliver significant quantities of cameras - at least twice as many models of digital MF cameras must have been announced as ever shipped, and there's some question as to whether anyone save Hassy, Phase and Leaf has ever REALLY shipped one in quantity (yes, a few Sinars got out, a few  Mamiya ZDs, and a tiny number of S2s so far,  but the numbers on all three are so small that they are almost not real products - only the S2 is still an open question, being so new that we don't know how many will be made).
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« Reply #159 on: March 10, 2010, 02:52:00 am »

I like the dual SD cards feature, I could use 1 SD card for Raw's and the other for tethering JPEG's (USB) for revision, I could even use a EYE-Fi SD card for wireless tethering those JPEG'S to my assistant laptop for close up revision.

Here's some image samples of the 645D (first button on left "impression" and then click on the feather button in the photographer profile) or 1 2  3  4  5  6  7  8
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