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« on: December 09, 2009, 04:45:48 am »

I guess it was a matter of time, but some guy is using my images on his website without my explicit permission. I told him if he wanted to use them to contact me and we'd make arrangements. Instead, he simply ripped the proofs off and cut my copyright off the bottom, put his own logo on it, and posted them to his website.

I've contacted him twice now and no response. I also contacted his hosting company and told them the same. No action. It's been about five days now since I contacted him or his hosting company.

What is my next step?
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2009, 06:26:26 am »

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I guess it was a matter of time, but some guy is using my images on his website without my explicit permission. I told him if he wanted to use them to contact me and we'd make arrangements. Instead, he simply ripped the proofs off and cut my copyright off the bottom, put his own logo on it, and posted them to his website.

I've contacted him twice now and no response. I also contacted his hosting company and told them the same. No action. It's been about five days now since I contacted him or his hosting company.

What is my next step?


I've been dealing with copyright infringements on my images for many years unfortunately and I know how annoying this can be. First of all I would suggest that you gather as many material facts together as possible, so that you can document the infringement beyond any reasonable doubt. Save it as a web archive, make a screen recording and anything else that comes to mind. One lawyer once told me to make a video with a copy of that day's newspaper in front to establish the date.

The hard part is removing the emotional element and treating this on a purely pragmatic level because I can assure you it does your health and bank balance no good at all to spend weeks, months or even years chasing after certain infringers if the likely payoff is small. What kind of usage are they making of the images? Is this a two bit one man operation or a big company? Where are they based? These are the first points you need to look at before you decide on a strategy. I am based in the UK but now register all my images at the US copyright office as well, since any chance of a significant payout is greatly reduced in the US unless your images are registered.  

The response you receive will depend on the personality of the infringer. Many will try to ignore you and eventually take down the images only when they see mounting pressure but try not to pay anything, especially since there is a false impression among many that images on the web are free or ten a penny, which is not helped by all those stock libraries who enthusiastically sell images for such derisory sums these days. There are others though who will simply pay up and apologise if you send them an invoice. You have to ask yourself also if you merely want the images removed or if you want some kind of payment for their usage. The latter is obviously more difficult to achieve but legally speaking that should be your objective in cases of unauthorised infringement.

I know another photographer here in the UK who ran some Google searches and uncovered various companies using his images without permission. He had a good lawyer specialised in copyright matters and managed to make more money on the infringements that year than he did on his regular assignments and stock sales. All photographers should be fighting tooth and nail to stop any attempts to introduce orphan works type legislation wherever it may be.
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2009, 10:48:17 pm »

Over the last couple of years I've seen several articles by an attorney, Carolyn E Wright, who seems to specialize in representing photographers in copyright infringement matters. You could contact her to see what your options are.
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2009, 11:25:07 am »

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Over the last couple of years I've seen several articles by an attorney, Carolyn E Wright, who seems to specialize in representing photographers in copyright infringement matters. You could contact her to see what your options are.

I will also second Carolyn Wright's name she IS knowledgable in this dept.
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2009, 11:50:39 am »

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I will also second Carolyn Wright's name she IS knowledgable in this dept.
I would bait him.  Get every copy possible and document the amount of time he has been using it by either taking pictures of the screen and article, so they can used against him.

Also have a friend contact this person to see how he is using it.  Is he getting or trying to jobs from it.  Is he able to sell your product.  It will all work for you in the end.  

Not really sure if you need a lawyer, unless he has made alot from your images.  

But you will know that when you bait him.  You can nail him in small claims.  Not sure what state you are in.

I have had to do this many times.  

By the way your Houda Point is amazing.  Tim
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2009, 05:06:06 pm »

Well, I contacted the hosting company with a DMCA request and they wrote back saying they would not take down the images, that I would need to deal with the owner of the site.

So I've documented everything and taken screen shots of his site with my images.

He isn't selling the images. He's using them for advertising to sell his products, unrelated to photography.

I will now give Mrs. Wright a call.

Thanks for your insights.
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2009, 05:11:58 pm »

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By the way your Houda Point is amazing.  Tim

Thanks Tim. A couple of years ago, with my then new 5D, I decided to shoot that location EVERY day in order to hopefully catch a couple of good shots.  I did that for around 3 months. Every day. And finally I did get a few. I don't know if I have the patience that those photos took to do that again now though.
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2009, 05:44:06 pm »

Well, after sending the DMCA and a "last notice" email, I just got an email back. I guess the DMCA and threat of a law suit finally convinced him I was serious.
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2009, 06:46:26 pm »

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"He isn't selling the images. He's using them for advertising to sell his products, unrelated to photography."

Then he values them!


Indeed he does.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2009, 12:44:45 am »

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Indeed he does.

So indeed he is using your product to make money without paying you the fair market value.
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2009, 01:39:40 am »

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So indeed he is using your product to make money without paying you the fair market value.


Well he was saying in the email "Is this a joke. . ." and saying that I said he could use them, etc., and I refreshed his memory with a email that I sent him initially explicitly stating to "get in touch with me if you want to use them."
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2009, 03:23:31 am »

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He isn't selling the images. He's using them for advertising to sell his products, unrelated to photography.

Did he pay you to take the images or are they images of  yours that just happened to show the products he's trying to sell?

It's pretty common for those new to hiring commercial work to not understand their rights.  They normally assume you take the images, they pay you to take them, at that point they have the right to do what the wish with them.

sounds like you've been pretty reasonable so far.  Is there a contract that you have pointed out the terms of use to him?
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2009, 04:18:29 am »

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Did he pay you to take the images or are they images of  yours that just happened to show the products he's trying to sell?

It's pretty common for those new to hiring commercial work to not understand their rights.  They normally assume you take the images, they pay you to take them, at that point they have the right to do what the wish with them.

sounds like you've been pretty reasonable so far.  Is there a contract that you have pointed out the terms of use to him?

 He didn't pay anything. I was in Las Vegas shooting SEMA and he asked if I would take pictures of the gals and his products and they might be able to use some of them.. So I said sure. It was my last day and I didn't have anything else going. I then sent him and email saying the pictures were up and to contact me if he wanted to use them. The rest is, as they say, history. They way he is using them, I just want credit for them. That's it.
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2009, 04:54:36 am »

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"he asked if I would take pictures of the gals and his products and they might be able to use some of them."

Not being asked how much the cost will be at the time of the request is a give away to expecting free use.
Maybe you have caused your own problem by being wooly?

Presumably he doesn't run a business for free?

Credits don't pay the bills.


Yeah like I have a price ready for literally 100s of uses for which he might want to use, on the spot. He asked "what do you usually do, a copyright mark or something?" I said, "Well cover that later depending on your use."  He didn't hire me. We were at a car show and he was a merchant--one of literally thousands-- and he said to feel free shooting the models and try to get his product name in them for later use. He also asked me to go to a shoot in the desert where a few big car mags were shooting. I was going to have a pass to shoot next to some pretty well known car photographers. With an opportunity like that, I wasn't going to sour the deal by trying to nail him on some price for a few shots. I couldn't make the desert shoot, however, as I was leaving on the same day. If I'd gotten to meet people and make connection, I would have gladly given him the images. I'd still like to be on good terms with him for networking purposes.
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2009, 12:10:15 pm »

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Yeah like I have a price ready for literally 100s of uses for which he might want to use, on the spot.

Reproduction fees require detailed pricing lists or online calculators for specific uses (or all in use). A rate for what you think your services are worth for the intended use do not require complex calculations. Some people quote hourly, half day and full day rates, other's what they think each job is worth to the client.

Being prepared upfront about pricing is the key. Always confirming there will be a cost will not leave some clients thinking that a few snaps will naturally therefore be free. If a commercial client splutters at the mere thought of having to pay is the shoot worth doing?


I have to agree with Nick. While it may not be possible to quote an exact price without having prior knowledge of any intended usage a photographer should be absolutely clear that there will be a cost involved and that the images may not be used without agreeing to a license fee in advance. Anything less is not good business practice and if the "client" looks nervous at the very thought of paying some kind of charge you really don't need them. Personally I don't like working on a speculative basis at all without having some idea up front of what the earnings will be.

Working for credits doesn't pay the bills... More than that though, any contacts and networking created through that client will soon learn you work for free, which hardly improves your future bargaining position when word gets around.
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2009, 01:35:27 pm »

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He didn't pay anything. I was in Las Vegas shooting SEMA and he asked if I would take pictures of the gals and his products and they might be able to use some of them.. So I said sure. It was my last day and I didn't have anything else going. I then sent him and email saying the pictures were up and to contact me if he wanted to use them. The rest is, as they say, history. They way he is using them, I just want credit for them. That's it.


Leaves me a little puzzled ... you implied in your original post you were getting credit for them and when you talked to him he removed that credit.

Personally based on what I've read, I don't think I'd pursue it much.  If you simply want credit for the images I would be quite surprised if he wouldn't comply, but I certainly wouldn't be spending a lot of effort and money pursuing this.
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