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« on: October 29, 2002, 08:53:09 pm »

[font color=\'#000000\']You're obviously talking about a flatbed scanner with a film adapter. The 2450 may work well, but the 1680 is your best choice, even if it is $300-400 above your $800 limit. But hey, if that's your limit, the 2450 may be the one. Ideally, a dedicated film scanner like the Nikon 4000ED for MF would do the best job, but that's about $1,700 and won't do 4X5s.[/font]
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2002, 01:35:09 am »

[font color=\'#000000\']I tested the 2450, and on the larger formats it really is a great bargain. I would not go for it for 35mm though. Could not even get the film grain sharp, like on my 35mm film scanner. I read on the web that you may have to use paper shims to get top performance. My testing did not extend that far. But on a Hassy slide, scanned then printed, you could actually "feel" that the walls of a cathedral were made with sandstone as opposed to limestone. Logic says that you cannot resolve sand on a whole-cathedral photo, but... It's also a great flat bed scanner for everything else.[/font]
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2002, 10:48:28 am »

[font color=\'#000000\']When researching a scanner purchase the tendency is to concentrate on detail resolution, which is certainly important. But I've found that resolution is only one of four factors that are equally important. The other three are dynamic range, scanner crud, and ease-of-use.

Dynamic range. Sergio rightly flagged this as important in his initial post. As we all know the Dmax figures advertised for each scanner are nothing more than theoretical maximums for the bit depth of the Analog-to-digital converter component used in that scanner. The only valid way to know the real DR of a scanner is to see the resulting image file when a high contrast film frame is scanned. Even then, the results are totally dependent on the operator's knowledge of how to get optimal results from a given scaner. I feel the reviews on imaging-resource.com are invaluable because they publish such results. Unfortunately, not for flatbeds! These leaves you scouring the net for usually amateur reviews or trying to test yourself in your local retail store.

Scanner crud. This is my own colourful term for a colourful problem. Thanks to the wonders of grain-aliasing, pepper grain, and digital "noise", scanned image files are far from as clean and pure as are decent digital camera image files. Some manufacturers deliberately introduce a bit of defocus to lessen this stuff. Again, it's hard to evaluate on-line test images for this unless results from a variety of scaners against the same test film can be compared. However, one can gain a fair idea of a given scanner's crudiness by averaging a number of anecdotal user reports.

Ease-of-use. Here I'm thinking especially of: quality of the provided film holders, infra-red cleaning, and quality of the provided software interface. These things may seem relatively minor, but a severe weakness anywhere in the chain between developed film and Photoshop, can render a scanner essentially useless.

Paper shims. The film you are scanning needs to be at a certain precise distance from the CCD imager in order to achieve maximum resolution of detail. Owners have reported on-line that due to variations from one 2450 to the next one can achieve sharper scans by changing the height of the film above the glass. According to this theory, the particular 2450 you purchase may already be pre-set so laying your film directly on the glass gives best results, if so you need do nothing. If not, you need to prop the film up off the glass by a certain amount (determined by experiment on your part).

It may also be that this was a manufacturing problem that has since been fixed.

2450 links:
Kerry Owen's review
Norman Koren's review[/font]
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2002, 02:49:34 am »

[font color=\'#000000\']In my search for a way to scan 4x5 transparencies I bought a Screen DT-S1030ai drum scanner.  Then I sold it because it was way too much hassle not to mention too expensive.

I just bought an Epson 2450 ($399) and did a test with it against a drum scan I made earlier of the same transparency.

The results are here.[/font]
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2002, 02:35:18 pm »

[font color=\'#000000\']The 2450 is going to be replaced with a 3200 dpi version.[/font]
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2002, 01:11:17 am »

[font color=\'#000000\']I've also compared the Epson 2450 to the Imacon Photo as well as the Imacon Photo to the Screen DT-S1030ai drum scanner here.[/font]
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2002, 03:07:26 pm »

[font color=\'#000000\']I'm looking for a good scanner for medium format and 4x5's. I was thinking about the Epson 2450. I am not willing to spend over 800 USD or so  on this. I'm looking for something with a nice dynamic range + good resolution. Hopefully 16-bit. Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot.

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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2002, 09:38:59 pm »

[font color=\'#000000\']If I see the scanner specs say its 1600x3200 dpi. Which one of these numbers is referring to the real resolution? What do these numbers mean? The Epson 2450 is 380 USD and scans up to 4x5 at 2400x4800 3.3D, while the 1680 is 1600x3200 3.6D max transp. 8x10. My biggest format is 4x5. Is it really worth the extra 1000 USD for the 1680?

Thanks.


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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2002, 08:16:38 am »

[font color=\'#000000\']What do you mean by paper shims?[/font]
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2002, 10:44:03 am »

[font color=\'#000000\']Sergio, the numbers 2400 by 4800 is the optical resolution of the scanner.  The 2400 number is determined by the number of pixels on the sensor.  The 4800 is determined by the step size of the scanner.  This means the optical resolution is not symmetrical.  The Minolta Dimage Scan Multi Pro film scanner is also not symmetrical when scanning medium format film (3200 by 4800), but is symmetrical when scanning 35mm film (4800 by 4800).[/font]
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2002, 09:09:13 am »

[font color=\'#000000\']Thank you very much for your help. What I see is I think I prefer the Epson scan ( judging on what I see in my monitor ).
Color looks nicer, contrast is nicer, and a little less detail. For the price I think it's a bargain.[/font]
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2002, 01:21:27 pm »

[font color=\'#000000\']There have been two new flatbeds from Canon in the photo press here in the UK this week, the 5000f and 8000f.  They have a similar spec to Epson 2450, ( 2400x4800 ) plus ability to scan 12 35mm frames which is probably of doubtful value, however, they are considerably cheaper than the Epson at £180 and £200.   Does anyone out there know if its true that the Epson 2450 is being discontinued?[/font]
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2002, 08:54:59 pm »

[font color=\'#000000\']Check this Doug :

http://www.i-love-epson.co.jp/products/sca...800f/9800f2.htm[/font]
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2002, 02:34:07 am »

[font color=\'#000000\']Here's another site for the new Epson 3200 dpi scanner.[/font]
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