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« on: April 28, 2009, 01:11:38 pm »

Hi,

I need help choosing a Portrait Studio Lighting kit, its a small studio. Need a good starting kit under $1000. thanks
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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2009, 05:42:53 am »

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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2009, 07:13:48 am »

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Hi,

I need help choosing a Portrait Studio Lighting kit, its a small studio. Need a good starting kit under $1000. thanks

Depends on what you already own. If you're starting from scratch, Alien Bees are much cheaper than the big bucks standards and have a good reputation for service. On the other hand, it's amazing what you can accomplish with a single shoe-mount flash moved off camera together with an umbrella or reflector. Check out David Hobby's blog on lighting (www.strobist.blogspot.com) for lots of information. If you already own a pair of shoe-mount flash units you can get a pair of lightstands & umbrellas plus assorted gadgets for about $200 and you're in business.
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2009, 08:39:06 am »

try sth from Bowens. good system, easy to upgrade it in future, best in this price i think. kit of two 200/250 with umbrellas, stands, and bag shouldn't cost you much more than 1000$, depending where you buy
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2009, 10:15:11 am »

Alienbees would be a great start!

I personally have JTL lights which served me well but cost more than Alienbees and aren't as powerful so go figure. It isn't like JTL is a really high end company either... I bought the JTLs back in 2001 when I had no clue about what to look for in studio strobes. I needed them for some freelance jobs and that was what my local camera store sold so that is what I bought.

I believe that their kits are cheaper than buying them individually. Otherwise, $280 USD gets you a 320Ws strobe or $360 USD gets you a 640Ws strobe for more power. Their Busy Bee package runs $1700 but comes with 4 strobes, bags, 4 light stands of different types, softbox, remote control, umbrellas, honeycomb grids and a light stand bag so you really get a lot! The 4 strobes are all the 320Ws versions but you can add the more powerful strobes for +$80 each...

I have a friend who swears by the Calumet brand strobes as well. They seem to be modeled after the nicer brand strobes and you can use a lot those higher quality brands light modifiers with them. Those are more money.

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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2009, 10:27:01 am »

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Alienbees would be a great start!

I personally have JTL lights which served me well but cost more than Alienbees and aren't as powerful so go figure. It isn't like JTL is a really high end company either... I bought the JTLs back in 2001 when I had no clue about what to look for in studio strobes. I needed them for some freelance jobs and that was what my local camera store sold so that is what I bought.

I believe that their kits are cheaper than buying them individually. Otherwise, $280 USD gets you a 320Ws strobe or $360 USD gets you a 640Ws strobe for more power. Their Busy Bee package runs $1700 but comes with 4 strobes, bags, 4 light stands of different types, softbox, remote control, umbrellas, honeycomb grids and a light stand bag so you really get a lot! The 4 strobes are all the 320Ws versions but you can add the more powerful strobes for +$80 each...

I have a friend who swears by the Calumet brand strobes as well. They seem to be modeled after the nicer brand strobes and you can use a lot those higher quality brands light modifiers with them. Those are more money.

one thing, are You sure that every stobe will be the same? if not - it means this is not equipment for serious work. imagine yourself a year after you bought them. flashes like this are not enough any more, you have to spend much more money to build the new system from the beginning.   in my opinion - it's better to buy not so many stuff, but a good one, in sytem that you can upgrade in future. buying one or two bowens/hensel strobes gives you a system, and even in 2019 you'll be able to use this flashes with newer system equipment. think about that, throwing away money twice is not so good idea

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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2009, 11:08:33 pm »

A few things about Alien Bees, since my entire studio is lit with their lights:

Service is right now, on the spot, no messing around. Even when out of warranty, repairs for any of their lights almost never go over 80 bucks, including shipping back to you.

The lights are VERY small, made out of poly carbonate shells, and very resistant to drop damage, and VERY light.

Since they are very small, about 6x6x6 inches, they can be used on location with minimal work. You can get the carrying cases for about 20 bucks a piece and their made out of high quality, thick, durable nylon with padding.

Don't waste your money on the lighter stands. Get the heavy duty stands they have. I've owned a few companies stands, and the alien bees heavy duty is about as good as they get for that price range. The base measurement on them is the widest I've found, even a few inches wider than the excellent heavy-duty Photoflex stands.

Don't buy their umbrellas. buy Photoflex. I've found Photoflex to be very good quality, as good as any other manufacturer and probably the cheapest for that quality. Their 60 inch umbrella now comes built out of 100% fiberglass rods, no more metal. This makes them REALLY durable. Same goes for Soft boxes. Get Photoflex. Same goes for reflectors, although AB's reflectors are good too.

The Alien Bees brolly box is decent, especially for the price.

The battery packs are cheap and really do a nice job. They're small also and easily transportable. I took two of them to Death Valley last year. they are pretty heavy though, but not so much you can't pack them in a ways. You can get them with a car cigarette lighter charger too, and charge them while you drive, if needed. They come with a way to attach them directly to your car battery also.

I have three 800s and one 1600. the more you buy, the less they cost also, so get them all at once and save quite a lot. I would not go below the 800s. They're very powerful, and a good bet. The 1600 is crazy.

The problem with using flash guns is that with, for example, one of the highest powered guns, say a Canon 580EX II, in a 60 inch umbrella or medium soft box, about the max you will get is f8. You can double up the lights for more power, but that doubles the cost too. But if you're willing to work with the flash guns, they have many advantages, portability being number one. I would think if you go flash guns, you'll need a minimum of 6 to get the power you need.

Good luck.
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2009, 09:59:44 am »

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one thing, are You sure that every stobe will be the same? if not - it means this is not equipment for serious work. imagine yourself a year after you bought them. flashes like this are not enough any more, you have to spend much more money to build the new system from the beginning.   in my opinion - it's better to buy not so many stuff, but a good one, in sytem that you can upgrade in future. buying one or two bowens/hensel strobes gives you a system, and even in 2019 you'll be able to use this flashes with newer system equipment. think about that, throwing away money twice is not so good idea

That is a great option but the poster stated that he wanted a lighting kit for a small studio and know that Alienbees are great for multiple strobe kits... If you could pick up one or two of those Bowen's or Hensels kits for under $1000 then totally go that route.

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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2009, 08:45:26 pm »

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That is a great option but the poster stated that he wanted a lighting kit for a small studio and know that Alienbees are great for multiple strobe kits... If you could pick up one or two of those Bowen's or Hensels kits for under $1000 then totally go that route.

Alien Bees are a professional setup, just lower end. However, they are extremely well built and reliable. I've read books by pros who use them along with other equipment because of the power you get along with portability. You do want to buy good stuff though. I'm not too sure about JTL stuff. Do a search for respective lights and see if people using them are getting reliability out of them. That's what i did before I bought AB's. Found them to be superb.
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2009, 10:35:24 pm »

For people photography AB is a very good, if not the best, buy if you need very fast flash duration to freeze action, look at Alien Bees pack and head system Zeus or Profoto Pro series with much much more money.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2009, 01:55:21 pm »

I second the Alien Bee recommendation, at least for the lights. I have had 2 400s and 2 800s for several years now, no problems. One of the 400s was on a stand that tipped over on to a concrete floor. Other than pushing the power cord jack into the case a bit and some other minor cosmetic damage, no harm done and it still works like a champ. If you get a set of Bees, definitely get the wired remote accessory; it is very handy to be able to adjust all of the lights' power from the camera instead of running to each light. They are great value for the money. I can't comment on repair/warranty service, as I have never had to use it.
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2009, 05:11:47 pm »

Midwest Photo Exchange is selling Profoto Compact kits on eBay for about $1099. That would be an incredible deal, considering the Compacts were selling for about a grand a piece, not too long ago. The reason they're selling at a lower price now is that Profoto replaced them with a newer model.
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2009, 12:26:24 am »

Profotos are in a completely different league than the Alien Bees. I started out with Alien Bees. For the money, they are a good value. The customer service is excellent.  I had four -- two 800s and two 1600s. I sent two lights out to be repaired. One had a noisey fan and the other had a broken flash sync socket. They were under warranty and the turnaround time for getting them repaired was good. As far as light, they are consistent in the higher range but can be a little inconsistent when you dial the power down beyond a couple stops. I eventually upgraded to Elinchrom Digital RX monoblocks and the 2400 power pack and two heads. The Elinchrome gear is much, much better -- quality of the light, the modifiers, and the consistency of color temperature. But, the Elinchroms are significantly more expensive too. Alien Bees are a nice option for getting started and setting up a small studio. They are very light and are easy to tote around on location.
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