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« Reply #360 on: March 10, 2008, 11:41:54 am »

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Sorry for the 0ff-Topic. It is known that Leaf is 'working on' a revolving adapter mount for the AFi. There is no way Leaf can physically make a revolving adapter plate for existing AFi backs. Leaf can do one of two things: 1) Have you turn in your existing AFi back so they can remove the current mounting plate and add the new revolving mounting plate (which seems like a doubtful scenario). Or, 2) Offer the next generation AFi back with the revolving adapter plate at a later date. If Leaf gave some indication of of what the plan is for the revolving AFi back, I may be tempted to jump in sooner rather than later.

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Everytime a new camera is introduced, from medium to 35m format it always seems to have some carryover from film cameras, as if nobody really started from a blank sheet of paper and all new parts.

Maybe the HY6 is closer to a digital only product, since the film back is what essentially motors the film transport, but is there really a need for a film option for this camera, since the two main companies that signed on are both focused on digital capture.

When a new camera like the HY6 or AFI comes out and a rotating back is almost like an afterthough, it puzzles me.

You would think that would have been there from the start, after all it's not a new concept and obviously worked very well considering the number of RZ's sold through the years.

It seems that medium format development is held back by the numbers and going to a new system is a big investment, for the maker and the user,  that's why you see these forums lit up with requests for raw files, what back works with what lens, etc. etc.  

Nobody wants to make the wrong decision and more importantly wants to buy into a system that they just can't get out of if it doesn't work for their style of photography or workflow.

I know when I added medium fromat from the dslr Canons, once I got past the iniital buy in, the biggest fear was a change of workflow.

Initially my studios post production workload went up by a factor of 10x's.  Now it's still higher than it was with the dslrs,  though now we also offer more in the way of post production services so maybe it's a wash.

I have a photographer friend that just got his first new digital back.  I asked him what mount he put it in and he said the hasselblad V.   I thought that was probably the worst of all decisions until you step back and think that not only does he have the camera and lens bought and paid for but he's use to working with the V.  Other than a better capture device, his style of shooting will continue as before and his buy in is much less.

On the other hand I know a digital tech that is investing in his rental business and just added digital backs and went with the H system.  It wasn't his personal favorite camera of choice, but as of this moment there is enough of these cameras in the market where the H is probably the standard, at least until the used market dries up.

I think in a way both of these decisions makes sense but it makes me wonder that if the initial price wasn't so steep, or if the new wave of proprietary cameras-to-backs wasn't a limitation what camera these two people would really go to.


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« Reply #361 on: March 10, 2008, 05:40:29 pm »

There is some wonderful amazing photography in this thread!
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« Reply #362 on: March 10, 2008, 11:18:17 pm »

James, about the backs: do you feel that you are getting images now which you could not have gotten with your 1Ds2 (or3) ? Ar they better in final print form than you were seeing with the Canons/Nikons? How so?
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« Reply #363 on: March 11, 2008, 01:57:29 am »

I just got my first MFD (PhaseOne P20+ and Mamiya AFD2) back in January.  Here's a shot that I think turned out well. This was with the 150mm f/3.5 lens.

To answer the question someone asked (although not to me) about quality...yes the P20+ produces amazing images when compared to my "daily" use 1D Mark2.  The print quality is noticeably better, but comparing the two isn't really valid in my situation because each system has it's use where it is ideally suited.  I wouldn't even try to shoot theatre production shots with the P20+...the Mark2 is my weapon of choice when I need to move fast.  When I have the time to sit and compose (headshots, portraits, etc) then I break out the P20+.  That's just my preference.
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« Reply #364 on: March 11, 2008, 02:34:15 am »

And another P20+ shot...this from a local youth theatre press photo shoot (show was Aida). Again...150mm f/3.5 lens.
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« Reply #365 on: March 11, 2008, 02:35:45 am »

Gidday,

Shoot for Jim Beam in a Hummer Limo.

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Mamiya RZProIID
Mamiya 50mm lens
Leaf Aptus 75
200 ISO
Bowens flash
Processed Adobe Bridge CS3

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« Reply #366 on: March 11, 2008, 03:20:53 am »

Mamiya 645AFDII 35mm ZD back.

I'm enjoying the feeling of MF images a lot, though it can be hard to hold still without a tripod even at 35mm.

One from Sunday a week ago in San Jose, CA:
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« Reply #367 on: March 11, 2008, 10:42:34 am »

Here's Zippy.
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« Reply #368 on: March 11, 2008, 11:38:52 am »

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This has been beat to death on about 20 million posts and these comparison threads always end in argument and brand loyalties so the answer is not simple or one that turns out to be much fun to discuss.

In the past I've also argued both sides  and my opinions can change as my workload and client base changes.  Actually the camera I love the most is usually the result of the photograph I love the most.  If I like what I'm shooting and everything goes well, then I love brand _________.

If I don't like what I'm shooting then I don't like brand __________ but then again if I don't like what I'm shooting then I pretty much don't like anything.

This probably won't give you the answer your looking for, but I start nearly every project with multiple monitors and medium format back(s), because that is what that level of production requires, regardless of file size, quality, color etc.  I may then switch to other cameras for hundreds of reasons, some logical, some not but I usually work in a room with a lot of people where tethering is the rule not the exception.

What brand(s)  I currently use is mostly due to stability and speed of post production (software) as every image I shoot goes through rounds of post production on many different levels.

Most clients want huge files sizes, the ability to crop, beautiful skin tones (whatever that may be) 30" previews, etc. etc., but given this what ALL clients want first and foremost is for me to get the shot with as little drama as possible,  so as of today I don't live in a one camera fits all world.

Given that this discussion is based around medium format there is very little with medium format that is more difficult than shooting a dslr and depending on brand it's usually easier when tethering, so I believe on a professional level, the primary reason medium format cameras sells less than higher end dslrs is price, not functionality and definitely not image quality.


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« Reply #369 on: March 11, 2008, 03:04:38 pm »

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This has been beat to death on about 20 million posts and these comparison threads always end in argument and brand loyalties so the answer is not simple or one that turns out to be much fun to discuss.

In the past I've also argued both sides  and my opinions can change as my workload and client base changes.  Actually the camera I love the most is usually the result of the photograph I love the most.  If I like what I'm shooting and everything goes well, then I love brand _________.

If I don't like what I'm shooting then I don't like brand __________ but then again if I don't like what I'm shooting then I pretty much don't like anything.

This probably won't give you the answer your looking for, but I start nearly every project with multiple monitors and medium format back(s), because that is what that level of production requires, regardless of file size, quality, color etc.  I may then switch to other cameras for hundreds of reasons, some logical, some not but I usually work in a room with a lot of people where tethering is the rule not the exception.

What brand(s)  I currently use is mostly due to stability and speed of post production (software) as every image I shoot goes through rounds of post production on many different levels.

Most clients want huge files sizes, the ability to crop, beautiful skin tones (whatever that may be) 30" previews, etc. etc., but given this what ALL clients want first and foremost is for me to get the shot with as little drama as possible,  so as of today I don't live in a one camera fits all world.

Given that this discussion is based around medium format there is very little with medium format that is more difficult than shooting a dslr and depending on brand it's usually easier when tethering, so I believe on a professional level, the primary reason medium format cameras sells less than higher end dslrs is price, not functionality and definitely not image quality.
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I have to agree with Russell here. Even though Russel tried to convince me to not go MF and stick with the New Nikon D3...
Ofcourse I did not listen to his advice and went with a P30 to go along with my 1DsMII.
I have to say he is right that some jobs require the 1DsMII.
I try and use my P30 when ever I can but some jobs are just pointless using the P30.
I shoot Catalogue with the 1DsMII as the P30 is over kill for catalogue paper where I live and also too SLOW!!
I use the P30 mainly for adverts and Personal fashion stuff.
Another great thing about the Canon is you get Small jpegs + RAW instantly.. NO batching for hours afterwards!!!
very important point for me when I can shoot 500-1000 shots a day easily. And just passs the jpegs for edtiing right away as in my world the client wants everything yesterday..:+]

The P30 has ALOT of room for Crop which I am LOVING!! also the shadow info is Spectacular compared to the 1DsMII...:+}
Each has it's place and I am lucky I have the both...
Snook
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PS. Russell thanks for the advice it was kind of a joke my comment. I do respect your opinion, but just wanted to get back into Medium fromat some how..:+}
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« Reply #370 on: March 11, 2008, 03:30:05 pm »

Please keep this thread focussed on its core mandate

"The Retouched Trophy Chicks of Medium Format"   :>))


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« Reply #371 on: March 11, 2008, 04:20:14 pm »

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« Reply #372 on: March 11, 2008, 04:26:42 pm »

Thanks Snook, and James, et al., I appreciate all your comments, and they largely line up with mine. (I used to shoot M.F. backs, now waiting for my 1Ds3...)

BUT, my question was really about visible differences in *final output,* in print, not workflow etc...

Thanks again.

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« Reply #373 on: March 11, 2008, 05:05:59 pm »

Well, sometimes you need a break from landscapes



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« Reply #374 on: March 11, 2008, 05:20:28 pm »

Foto-Z: You overretouched her skin. She looks like a barbie now  :-)

But honestly... you didn't oil up her arms... did you? Freak  :-D




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« Reply #375 on: March 11, 2008, 06:03:03 pm »

You over sharpen this image. Barbie's hair looks almost syntetic.
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« Reply #376 on: March 11, 2008, 06:09:43 pm »

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"The Retouched Trophy Chicks of Medium Format"   :>))
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« Reply #377 on: March 12, 2008, 12:44:31 am »

Great "beauty" shot and wonderful skintones, Graham!
Did you retouch the eyes? They seem a little "too much"!

 

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« Reply #378 on: March 12, 2008, 01:07:04 am »

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« Reply #379 on: March 12, 2008, 01:40:25 am »

Andre,

That's exactly what I meant, with my post!



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