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Steerpike

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Test shots after dust removal; why small aperture?
« on: November 26, 2007, 12:35:37 am »

I've been reading several sites (including LL) about sensor dust removal, having encountered the problem myself.  A few sites say to make a test shot after removal, by taking a picture of the sky, or a white sheet of paper, at a very small aperture (F/16, F/22, etc).  I understand that a small aperture increases depth of field, but that should have no impact on sensor dust.  So why is a small aperture recommended for the test shot?
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2007, 12:51:49 am »

Further googling revealed at least a partial answer; at a small aperture, the light is striking the sensor at close to 90 degrees, and so a dust spot will block light reaching the sensor 'site' behind it. At a wider aperture, the same sensor site is capturing light from multiple angles, so some of that light will bypass the dust spot.  

Makes sense, I guess.  Damn ... need to take more test shots!
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walter.sk

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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2007, 08:43:18 am »

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Further googling revealed at least a partial answer; at a small aperture, the light is striking the sensor at close to 90 degrees, and so a dust spot will block light reaching the sensor 'site' behind it. At a wider aperture, the same sensor site is capturing light from multiple angles, so some of that light will bypass the dust spot. 

Makes sense, I guess.  Damn ... need to take more test shots!
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Dust spots are on the AA Filter and are normally so close to the sensor, and so out of focus that they don't appear in the image.  The old trick of shooting at maximum aperture, as close to the bars of a cage or a chain link fence to get them to "disappear" in the picture of the animal inside the cage is a parallel.

Even at f/22 the spots are not really in focus, but I believe it is basically the increased DOF that makes them visible.  If you never shoot smaller than f/8 or f/11 you may never see the presence of dust on the AA filter.  When I do macros, or shots where I want the foreground and distant background to appear sharp, I often use f/22 or smaller (despite the problems of diffraction), so when I clean the sensor, I have to stop way down on my test shots.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2007, 03:26:01 pm »

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Dust spots are on the AA Filter and are normally so close to the sensor, and so out of focus that they don't appear in the image.  The old trick of shooting at maximum aperture, as close to the bars of a cage or a chain link fence to get them to "disappear" in the picture of the animal inside the cage is a parallel.

Even at f/22 the spots are not really in focus, but I believe it is basically the increased DOF that makes them visible.  If you never shoot smaller than f/8 or f/11 you may never see the presence of dust on the AA filter.  When I do macros, or shots where I want the foreground and distant background to appear sharp, I often use f/22 or smaller (despite the problems of diffraction), so when I clean the sensor, I have to stop way down on my test shots.
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At first, I was thinking that the increased DOF was the reason too, but then as I thought about it logically, I concluded that could not be the case. The aperture of the lens affects the focus of the image passing through the lens, and has no bearing on the focus of anything that sits between the back of the lens and the sensor.  

Light from an image strikes the lens equally at all points on the surface of the lens.  With the aperture 'open', light from a single source point passes through the lens via many paths - some directly through the center of the lens, some via the outer edges of the lens.  With the aperture smaller, the light that is hitting the outer edges of the lens is cut off, and the only light passing through is that light from the source that is striking the center of the lens (that's why a smaller aperture reduces the exposure, of course).   This light that passes through the outer edges is hitting the sensor at an angle, while the light that passes through the center hits the sensor at close to 90 degrees.  

I was going to try to create a diagram to explain this, but found this page (isn't google wonderful!) that shows the concept reasonably well:
[a href=\"http://www.trustedreviews.com/digital-cameras/review/2006/08/17/Digital-Camera-Tutorial-Aperture-Depth-of-Field/p2]http://www.trustedreviews.com/digital-came...pth-of-Field/p2[/url] .  It illustrates the angle issue perfectly.  If you imagine a spec of dust on the sensor, in example one (wide), the light from any given point is going to hit the sensor from a range of angles, so it's 'blocking power' is reduced.  But in example two (narrow), the dust spot is going to block the only light available from the source.  

I did further reading, and the best recommendation I came up with (regarding testing the sensor after a clean) was to set manual focus, and completely 'defocus' (blur) the external image (to reduce the amount of distraction in the hunt for real dust specs) - so, you point the camera at a bright object (white wall, sky, etc), intentionally blur the image, set a narrow aperture to get only 'perpendicular' light, then take a shot.  I followed this approach and  ... OMG ... what a lot of dust I have !!!! I've ordered the sensor swab, fluid, and am about to order the blower and brush!

This page had not only an interesting perspective, but also contains several links at the bottom to other articles.
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Test shots after dust removal; why small aperture?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2007, 03:48:09 pm »

Perhaps using a lighting analogy would be helpful. Imagine a golf ball hanging from a string 10cm away from a wall. Light the ball with a light reflected off a 1-meter umbrella 1 meter away, and the shadow of the ball will be fuzzy and diffuse. But light the ball with a single-LED flashlight from 1 meter away, and the ball's shadow on the wall will have hard, distinct edges.

Sensor dust is the same; small particles on glass a small distance in front of the sensor. When you stop down to f/22, you are illuminating the particles with a small point light source, and they will cast shadows with sharp, distinct edges on the sensor. But open up to f/2, and you are illuminating each particle with a large, more diffused light source, which will cast fuzzier shadows with softer edges.
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2007, 04:17:24 pm »

Well, Jonathan & Steerpike, I thank you for the enlightenment.  All of these years that I've been cleaning sensors I never examined the logic of the DOF having nothing to do with making the shadow of the dust visible.  Of course, now that you pointed it out, I realize that it makes no sense.

I hate when it happens when an unquestioned assumption gets done in, but I am grateful.
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