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Frank Doorhof

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« on: August 21, 2007, 11:41:09 am »

After a good talk with Mamiya I think the best way for me is to upgrade to a leaf or phase one.
However my budget is slightly blown by the whole shift to MF so I have to look at some options.

At the moment I'm seriously considering the Leaf 22 Aptus or a refurbished unit.
However in the Netherlands we don't have a good dealer network like in the states so I'm thinking about buying in the states or england or which ever country

Has anyone some good adresses for this ?
And any other insight is welcome.

The reason I switch from the Mamiya is that the bug has got me, I love the MF system and I want to upgrade to 16 bits.
The ZD back is very good for it's pricerange but I'm experiencing some problems with firewire tethered shooting and looking forward upgrading now is the wisest decision.
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2007, 11:56:34 am »

Why not Sinar? Just curious.

You will normally find a list of distributors with contact details on the manufacturer's home page.

You should also consider the leasing option.
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2007, 12:04:26 pm »

...or Hasselblad!  
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2007, 12:16:17 pm »

The emotion looks nice but only goes to ISO100 which is a shame because sometimes I need ISO200 or ISO400.
Also I can't find any pricing (did a quick search)
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2007, 12:22:36 pm »

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Why not Sinar? Just curious.

You will normally find a list of distributors with contact details on the manufacturer's home page.

You should also consider the leasing option.
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I thought about the Sinar option myself but in the US the price tag is alot more for the 22 megapixels than other brand with equivalent pixels. Perhaps this is different in Europe.

The next option to think about is the Phase One P+ series backs or the Hasselblad CF backs. Both of these backs will take your current invested medium format system, Mamiya AFD II. Capture Integration is offering a discount on all of the Mamiya mount backs the last time I checked and they are great folks to deal with. If you want to go with the Hasselblad back or Sinar speak with Steve Hendrix from Professional Photo Resources (PPR).
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2007, 12:37:09 pm »

I have one appointment tomorrow with the Dutch Leaf importer if that works out we will go with leaf, if not I will give Steve a mail, saw his name come up alot indeed.
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2007, 12:51:01 pm »

Frank,

you can buy a refurbished Aptus 22 for EUR 11.900,- at Calumet Germany. That´s 10.000,- without tax, if you have a VAT-number.

http://www.calumetphoto.de/ctl?ac.ui.pn=se...uery=aptus%2022

Why do you get away so quickly from the ZD back? Don´t you think Mamiya could fix the initial problems?

Bernd
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2007, 01:34:49 pm »

Thanks I will call them tomorrow that sounds like a great deal.

The reason I'm upgrading is complicated but simple

Let's make first clear that I ABSOLUTLY love the ZD back for it's price point.
However there are a few things that strike me as annoyances.

1. The small display which is totally useless.
2. The green discollarisation on one side of the back.
3. The purple worms.
4. The firewire issues I'm experiencing.

Number 2 and 3 will be solved 100% sure, Mamiya already knows about it and also what the problem is.
4 is still out, they claim some photographers don't have issues or solved their issues, when I see the solutions they give me not very high hopes for a solid connection for the time being, also the small firewire port is a disaster waiting to happen with my workshops.

Now let's be real about this, for the pricepoint it's a bargain and it can't be beat.

For me however it was a cheap way to get into the MF system, I was thinking about a Hasselblad or a Leaf or Phase on but could not justify the costs without working with it for a longer time.

With the ZD combi I got a sweet deal as a tester and it was ok let's do it NOW.

Now for me it's an extra investment of app 5000,00 euros to upgrade to the leaf.

The advantages for me is:
1. Tried and tested firewire connection
2. ISO25 (love it to get super DOF with my ringflash during daytime)
3. LARGE preview, a steep price if that was the only reason but you have to love the 6x7cm preview screen.
4. cheaper accus, I shoot alot of sessions during the week and also location work, the Mamiya accus are killing my budget, well that's a big word but they are expensive.
5. Although I don't find the 11 frames buffer a problem for 95% of my work the 1000 frames continues shooting is of course something that's nice to have.
6. Real 16 bit capture (the biggy for me)

Numbers 1,2,3 make the upgrade solid for me, and 6 is the biggest reason.

However if you have budgetwise the price for the ZD + camera I still stand behind my review, it's the best bang for the buck.
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2007, 02:11:03 pm »

Frank, you could have a look on Ebay as well. I did quite a good deal in the US on an Aptus 75.
No import taxes because it's a digital camera, only BTW. And the dollar is verry cheap for us europeans. If you need more info just let me know...
Cheers, G.
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2007, 02:52:38 pm »

Hi Frank
Reading your original post I notice you asked for dealer recommendations in the UK or the US? If you are interested in the Phase One and in coming to London I can highly recommend Teamwork. I dealt with Steve Martin and they kept on lending me different backs and Mamiya lenses for testing until I was satisfied. I bought the 645 AFD 2 and a P30+. You can find them here: http://www.teamworkphoto.com/

I have no financial link with them other than paying them large sums of money for my kit! Good luck with your choice.

Olaf


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Frank, you could have a look on Ebay as well. I did quite a good deal in the US on an Aptus 75.
No import taxes because it's a digital camera, only BTW. And the dollar is verry cheap for us europeans. If you need more info just let me know...
Cheers, G.
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2007, 02:52:57 pm »

I have checked ebay but found nothing that looked trustworthy
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2007, 02:56:54 pm »

Frank

If Leaf is your first (next) choice the you should communicate with Yair Shahar (who posts
here regularly as Yaya).  He is the regional UK person for Leaf

yair.shahar at kodak.com

I'm in Canada and have not purchased a Leaf product but he has been very generous with
his time/information at the same time knowing full well that I won't be purchasing
a product in his jurisdiction.  A stand up guy.

Mark
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2007, 03:01:36 pm »

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I have checked ebay but found nothing that looked trustworthy
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Someone has a P25 for sale in Denmark for 10K USD. It is on the for sale section in this forum. It says it is still under guarantuee so it might also be in the period of the 1 year free swap of interface (if you need it in Mamiya mount).
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2007, 03:10:59 pm »

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Frank, you could have a look on Ebay as well. I did quite a good deal in the US on an Aptus 75.
No import taxes because it's a digital camera, only BTW. And the dollar is verry cheap for us europeans. If you need more info just let me know...
Cheers, G.
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No duty, but VAT will still be applicable (if you aren't VAT registered)
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2007, 03:11:47 pm »

Thanks I have mailed both

One small question (*Dustbak allready answered some).

This is about shooting to the PC.
I know by now there is a beta version of the software but....

When I only need to transfer the files is it not possible to use the PC like an external firewire HDD, in other words the back will just transfer the files to a folder on the PC and from there ofcourse lightroom can take over the rest.

I have seen some files from both and am leaning slightly towards the leaf now because the shadows and skintones are slightly better, the colors of the Phase are a bit more natural but that's very close.
I do 99% people so the shadow and skintones are vital for me.

Thanks in advance for all the help.
The problem is I have to move much faster than I normally do because I want to return the ZD back asap so they don't have to wait long for me.
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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2007, 03:13:37 pm »

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Frank

If Leaf is your first (next) choice the you should communicate with Yair Shahar (who posts
here regularly as Yaya).  He is the regional UK person for Leaf

yair.shahar at kodak.com

I'm in Canada and have not purchased a Leaf product but he has been very generous with
his time/information at the same time knowing full well that I won't be purchasing
a product in his jurisdiction.  A stand up guy.

Mark
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Agree, absolutely, Yair is a real nice guy.
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2007, 03:14:37 pm »

Frank,

We were named Phase One's dealer of the year in 2006.  We are a Phase One exclusive dealer located in Atlanta, Georgia. Please give me a call.

Chris Lawery
Capture Integration
www.captureintegration.com
(404)234-5195 cell
(404)522-7662 office
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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2007, 03:40:27 pm »

Dear Frank,

compare ISO 100 with the eMotion with ISO 200 on other backs: just an advice.

Best regards,
Thierry

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The emotion looks nice but only goes to ISO100 which is a shame because sometimes I need ISO200 or ISO400.
Also I can't find any pricing (did a quick search)
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2007, 03:42:45 pm »

here the Sinar distributor's contacts for the Netherlands:

Photal fototechnische
Handelsonderneming
Edisonstraat 31
Postbus 61
6600 AB Wijchen

Phone: (+31) 24 642 03 34
Fax: (+31) 24 642 14 53
E-mail: info@photal.nl
Website: www.photal.nl

He will be able to give you all prices requested.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Also I can't find any pricing (did a quick search)
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2007, 03:49:05 pm »

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Thanks I have mailed both

One small question (*Dustbak allready answered some).

This is about shooting to the PC.
I know by now there is a beta version of the software but....

When I only need to transfer the files is it not possible to use the PC like an external firewire HDD, in other words the back will just transfer the files to a folder on the PC and from there ofcourse lightroom can take over the rest.

I have seen some files from both and am leaning slightly towards the leaf now because the shadows and skintones are slightly better, the colors of the Phase are a bit more natural but that's very close.
I do 99% people so the shadow and skintones are vital for me.

Thanks in advance for all the help.
The problem is I have to move much faster than I normally do because I want to return the ZD back asap so they don't have to wait long for me.
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This is possible. I used my Aptus like that (though on MacOS). Tether with LC, have your files dropped in a folder of your choice and let Lightroom do its work.

I did this with Adobe Bridge, there should not be a lot of differences here.
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