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Gregory

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« on: August 20, 2007, 02:54:29 am »

does anyone know what advantages the 1D Mark III has over the newly announced 40D? i.e., why would you buy a 1D Mark III instead of the 40D which is only 1/3 the cost?
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2007, 11:14:08 am »

Weatherproofing, larger sensor/smaller crop factor, beefier body, faster shooting, more AF points...
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2007, 01:44:08 pm »

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Weatherproofing, larger sensor/smaller crop factor, beefier body, faster shooting, more AF points...
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Well summarized. And yet, I think where the OP is coming from is that for a good many photographers, the 40D will be "close enough" in each of these categories. If we go through them one by one ...

- the 1D III is undoubtedly more weatherproofed; then again I subjected my original Digital Rebel and 20D to snow and rain without issue, and the 40D now has additional protection around the CF slot and the battery

- larger sensor / smaller crop factor is certainly the case, though whether or not this is actually an advantage can be argued either way ... if it had a noticeable impact on the viewfinder, that would be a significant issue, perhaps, but dpreview is claiming that the 40D viewfinder is about as good as the 1D III viewfinder

- beefier body, and most likely sturdier too ... on the other hand, also bigger and heavier (could be considered disadvantages)

- faster shooting (and bigger buffer); but I think 6.5 FPS for 17 RAW images will be enough for many (pretty close to the original 1D Mark II)

- more AF points ... well personally I always find myself using center-pt focusing for tracking on my 1D II and find AF selection much easier on the 5D, whose AF layout is similar to the 40D; I think the fact that all AF points on the 40D are now cross-type will also be a boost

I think it shows that Canon is being very aggressive with the 40D, and as Michael suggested they probably felt a lot of pressure from the D200. A nice example of competition helping out the consumer.

Note: some additional differences between the 1D III and the 40D are that the former goes up to ISO 6400 (3200 is part of the normal operation) and the former has a shutter rated to 300,000 (the latter rated to "only" 100,000)
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2007, 01:54:05 pm »

Well, 'close enough' is subjective.  Close enough for me, right now?  Yeah.  In fact my 30D is 'close enough' and I have no plans of upgrading to either.

But as to why someone would get the 1DM3 instead...those are the exact reasons and they would not be close enough for whoever chooses teh 1DM3.

I think the 40D is a great upgrade for anyone coming from a 10D/20D or a Rebel.  Personally I will wait for the 5DM2 and see what it offers.  I've purchased my last crop factor sensor I think.
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2007, 03:35:00 pm »

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I think the 40D is a great upgrade for anyone coming from a 10D/20D or a Rebel.  Personally I will wait for the 5DM2 and see what it offers.  I've purchased my last crop factor sensor I think.
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Agreed. Once I looked through the finder of a 5D I knew I'd never buy another crop factor sensor. My previous DSLR was the 10D. But now I can't even bring myself to get a 20D, 30D, or 40D as a backup camera because the finder view is too small. Viva full-frame!  
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2007, 11:27:08 pm »

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2007, 04:33:02 pm »

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Ignore the following, I misread 1Ds for 1D!

Some valid points there, but what is quite amazing to me is no mention of the higher image resolution due to having twice as many pixels.

Has the backlash against the megapixel race got to the point that we deny or ignore that the most timeless reason for using larger formats is sharper, better looking big prints?

Ansel Adams did not use 8"x10" for better weatherproofing or a beefier body, and certainly not for faster shooting or more AF points.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2007, 04:35:22 pm »

No, I simply forgot   It's not that big of a difference, just wasn't on my mind at the time of the post.  All things being equal, I wouldn't pay more than $100 to go from 8 to 10 MP.
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2007, 05:33:06 pm »

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Ansel Adams did not use 8"x10" for better weatherproofing or a beefier body, and certainly not for faster shooting or more AF points.
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More grains?
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2007, 05:38:14 pm »

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Some valid points there, but what is quite amazing to me is no mention of the higher image resolution due to having twice as many pixels.
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Hmm? I'm confused. The discussion here is about the 40D and the 1D III, which both have exactly the same number of pixels. You must be thinking of the 1Ds III ...
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2007, 06:28:09 pm »

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Now that I have got it straight that we are talking about the 10MP 1D MkIII I would add
- "better dynamic range and better low light performance with suffiiciently big, heavy lenses",
 due to the larger photosites on the larger sensor.
But I might scratch
- "smaller crop factor"
Since you also said "larger sensor", I take it that you are using "crop factor" properly, as the degree of cropping imposed by the sensor on the images given by the lenses.
Then the 1D has a 1.3x crop factor with all lenses, whereas the 40D has a 1.6x crop with 35mm format lenses but no crop with EF-S lenses, giving it wider coverage with standard zooms and generally with wide angle zooms. Compare 17-55 EF-S on the 40D to a 24-105 EF or 24-70 EF on the 1DMkIII, or a 10-22 EF-S on the 40D to a 16-35 EF or 17-40 EF on the 1DMkIII. The 1D with those EF lenses has some advantages, but "less cropped FOV" is not one of them.
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2007, 07:03:50 pm »

Yeah, you are right, they have the same pixel count now - when he made his post, I was in 30D mode   I didn't forget after all!
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2007, 10:32:00 pm »

D300 be damned.  I still want the 40D.
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