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Mirage RIP?
« on: November 11, 2025, 01:35:20 pm »

Is anyone using Mirage in a production environment?

We're about to upgrade our ipf8400 (Fiery ExPress) to a 4600, and when I asked our supplier, they recommended Mirage, over Caldera, which is where I was leaning. There is the possibility of either an 80600, or HP latex 365 in the foreseeable future, though not a sure thing. Caldera is around 4x the price, but I've become very used to a proper RIP, with log files, as opposed to printing through PS/LR, and it helps to have presets so others can assist, and get the right result, just by selecting the media.

We're Mac based, though do have the odd windows machine for scanning, so not totally tied to a Mac for the RIP machine...

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Re: Mirage RIP?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2025, 04:22:44 pm »

Might be worth trying the affordable options like QImage or ImagePrint Red to see if that meets your needs. Manufacturer paper profiles are pretty good depending on the paper you're using.
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2025, 04:24:38 pm »

Is anyone using Mirage in a production environment?

We're about to upgrade our ipf8400 (Fiery ExPress) to a 4600, and when I asked our supplier, they recommended Mirage, over Caldera, which is where I was leaning. There is the possibility of either an 80600, or HP latex 365 in the foreseeable future, though not a sure thing. Caldera is around 4x the price, but I've become very used to a proper RIP, with log files, as opposed to printing through PS/LR, and it helps to have presets so others can assist, and get the right result, just by selecting the media.

We're Mac based, though do have the odd windows machine for scanning, so not totally tied to a Mac for the RIP machine...

I’m using Mirage with my Canons - works fine, fast, simple and fool-proof. You can try it out for 14 days with your iPF8400 as well. Didn’t work much with Caldera but frankly I doubt it makes any sense to choose it.
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Re: Mirage RIP?
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2025, 03:09:10 am »

I’m using Mirage with my Canons - works fine, fast, simple and fool-proof. You can try it out for 14 days with your iPF8400 as well. Didn’t work much with Caldera but frankly I doubt it makes any sense to choose it.

That is good to hear, and I'll try to get a try out (downloaded it a year or two ago, so will contact them to see if I can give it another go).

Might be worth trying the affordable options like QImage or ImagePrint Red to see if that meets your needs. Manufacturer paper profiles are pretty good depending on the paper you're using.
I do have QImage, but am not a fan of the work space. I've been profiling all my papers for the last 15 years - a lot of the materials we use don't have manufacturer profiles, and none of them compensate for laminates. I did see that Mirage has downloads for Hahnemeuhle and Canson, so will have a look at those, but will likely roll my own, to keep images consistent for customers running editions.
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Re: Mirage RIP?
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2025, 09:02:51 am »

No Mirage here.
Still old school with our Pro 4600 printing through Lightroom Classic which does an amazing job. Printing 100% photography on canvas.
For our s80600 Epson we have Onyx Thrive that we use for most commercial work. Photos on canvas we run through Epson Edge.
Both of these rips require Windows.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2025, 12:15:25 pm »

I would absolutely go for Mirage in your situation, Richard--

It's the RIP I always recommend to anybody who isn't in IT, and especially on a mac it's kind of the best choice you've got.  The only other RIPs I know of that run on mac are Caldera (but it's very obviously a linux-first app running in X11 last time I checked) and Serendipity Blackmagic, which is a pretty esoteric one that is super powerful but has a pretty steep learning curve.  Also nothing else is going to support that solvent printer and be under/around $1000.  I was planning on switching to Mirage for my Canons, but I've got to many other workflows which would still require a different RIP, so I ended up sticking with my frankenstein setup with Ergosoft.

The only thing you don't get with Mirage is a profiling package, but if you've got i1profiler or are good with Argyllcms then you'll be fine without it being built in.
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Re: Mirage RIP?
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2025, 01:26:41 pm »

No Mirage here.
Still old school with our Pro 4600 printing through Lightroom Classic which does an amazing job. Printing 100% photography on canvas.
For our s80600 Epson we have Onyx Thrive that we use for most commercial work. Photos on canvas we run through Epson Edge.
Both of these rips require Windows.

Thanks Dan - are you ganging up multiple jobs through LRC, and able to add job tickets, borders etc? That's one of the things that is a must for me.

I would absolutely go for Mirage in your situation, Richard--

It's the RIP I always recommend to anybody who isn't in IT, and especially on a mac it's kind of the best choice you've got.  The only other RIPs I know of that run on mac are Caldera (but it's very obviously a linux-first app running in X11 last time I checked) and Serendipity Blackmagic, which is a pretty esoteric one that is super powerful but has a pretty steep learning curve.  Also nothing else is going to support that solvent printer and be under/around $1000.  I was planning on switching to Mirage for my Canons, but I've got to many other workflows which would still require a different RIP, so I ended up sticking with my frankenstein setup with Ergosoft.

The only thing you don't get with Mirage is a profiling package, but if you've got i1profiler or are good with Argyllcms then you'll be fine without it being built in.

I do have Profiler (though might need to update to a Mk3 next year...). If and when a latex / ecosol comes along, then a "real" RIP will be in order. A lot of what we produce outside the photography side, is heading towards signage - vinyls, banners, etc; files that come over as PDF's, so a Postscript engine has been useful.

I approached the dealer rep we're getting the 4600 for and asked about Caldera - he suggested Mirage.
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2025, 05:01:19 pm »

Well if you wouldn't use it for the solvent (Mirage supports the epson solvents, but not much else) then I'd probably make the jump to a more fully featured RIP now instead of doing an in between step...  I've personally used Colorgate, Ergosoft, Fiery, GMG, Onyx, Mirage, and I have a little bit of experience with Flexi, Caldera, MainTop, and Serendipity, and to be honest, none of them is perfect.  My favorite for workflow and layout is Mirage and Ergosoft, but in terms of built in profiling and linearization Onyx and Colorgate are way more comprehensive.  Ergosoft is getting better, they've been pretty good about listening to feedback.  I also do a bit of contract proofing, which narrows the field to GMG, Colorgate, Fiery and Oris, the last of which I've never touched.  So I'm kind of useless for a recommendation because I'm pretty stuck between a bunch of imperfect options myself.

My ideal situation is a RIP that has a client/server layout like Fiery, especially since they have clients for mac and pc, but since Fiery 7 they kind of destroyed things from a layout perspective.  Most other RIPs still use a hotfolder setup which I can't stand, since every job I'm throwing at it needs different parameters for the kind of work I do, and simple stuff like rotating and adding crop marks can be a huge pain.  Ergosoft has a client/server system, but it's very expensive to add more clients, which is super odd to me, but then it also has the easiest layout and nesting options, much like Mirage.

It's been long enough since I've used Caldera that I honestly don't remember how layout worked, but I do remember it not feeling as simple in a drag-and-drop way as I wanted it to be.  Maybe they've changed things by now.  I'd try to demo a few things and see what you like working with, and generally speaking I'd kgive up on the RIP being mac-native if you really want any other options besides Caldera.
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Re: Mirage RIP?
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2025, 10:31:25 am »

Thanks Dan - are you ganging up multiple jobs through LRC, and able to add job tickets, borders etc? That's one of the things that is a must for me.

I do have Profiler (though might need to update to a Mk3 next year...). If and when a latex / ecosol comes along, then a "real" RIP will be in order. A lot of what we produce outside the photography side, is heading towards signage - vinyls, banners, etc; files that come over as PDF's, so a Postscript engine has been useful.

I approached the dealer rep we're getting the 4600 for and asked about Caldera - he suggested Mirage.

It may not suit you. For us we do mostly large canvases or fine art paper prints so we are not really ganging anything. We do print some large automobile prints for a client and he wants a perfect 2" white border.
Those are all printed through Qimage which prints a fine border line for our trimming. Looks like there is quite a lot to chose from.
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2025, 05:20:32 pm »

I used Mirage 3 and 4 for about 6 years and thought it was fantastic. It always tells you the truth about sizes and margins and what paper will work on what settings. Before that with Epson printers I had a lot of strange wasted printouts with bits cut off or the wrong orientation. I stopped printing a while back and so sold it with the printer.
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2025, 06:46:12 pm »

Thanks Less - I think I'm going to start with Mirage - have a 2 week trial again, and will go through the learning curve. Another machine is not yet a certainty, though I've turned down a fair amount of work that I would have got if I'd had something like the 80600 (and have a line of other products that my clients go else where for). Never did like hotfolders for our workflow.

Dan, I've tried LR for production print, and have felt very limited (and made the odd mistake, even using presets / templates) regarding rotation, nesting and custom adjustments, though it has been a while since I last went all in; as you say, I think it doesn't quite suit me.

Thanks Bob, truth is always good. I haven't got far enough into the trial - only had proper access for a couple of hours at teh end of today - I'm assuming it'll allow per media length corrections?

Appreciate the feed back from all of you who have responded - looking forward to the calm madness of a planned new setup!
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2025, 09:00:45 pm »

+1 for Mirage. I think once you get a hang of the interface, the learning curve is pretty mild as everything is laid out pretty neatly and logically. The one thing that IMO would benefit from a little polishing is the user guide, which is almost exclusively text-based, with very few pictures (which often help more clearly understanding concepts), but it’s a minor gripe.
One wonderful thing about Mirage is their customer service: they are very friendly, responsive and helpful (Marvin in particular). On top of that, they actually listen to user feedback and requests for new features and (if reasonable!) they implement them in point releases of the software. In this regard, they are similar to Qimage One which also has superb customer service. Two really good software houses, in my view.
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2025, 02:17:55 pm »

Thanks Gryphon - I'm rather old school, so happy with text based instructions.

Good to hear that CS is responsive - always helps when there are questions, requests, or you guy's are off line.. :)
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Re: Mirage RIP?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2025, 01:59:10 pm »

4600 installed yesterday with Mirage.

It's fast and quiet! Ran some tests on dog ends of rolls, to see how the Canson and Hahnemuhle profiles behave, and how it handles the unruly last half dozen feet of materials.

The profiles are good - nice, dead clean B&W and neutrals in colour images - but about 1/3rd of a stop darker than the profiles I've made over the years for our 8400, using profiler with 2371 patches. The deepest blacks are blocked, so I guess I'll break out the i1 in the new year, and start working through the media for the more demanding clients.

I can't for the life of me work out how to tell Mirage to give me 35 or 50mm leading edge before printing. This is something I use all the time in Fiery, to skip the most tortured of paper curl, or to give me a run in for lamination.

Auto load is wierd, but works pretty well for normal media. So far I've played with Arches 88, Presige Baryta, HPR satin, HFA Baryta and Canson Lustre 310, and only the leading edge of the PB had minor head strikes (the roll had perhaps 36" left on it).

It's strange running it from my laptop, until a CTO Mac studio, and new Eizo arrive - don't love knowing that I don't know what the image looks like, though I'm still prepping files on the old Mac Pro, with a CG243 (still calibrates well to 90cd, but not compatible with modern OS...), and still running the 8400 for existing editions, until I've got the papers profiled in the new year.

I'm not sure I'll be able to resist the commute in over the winter break, to play...

Random bonus question:
Anyone (Mr Rodney) know whether/how Apple Remote Desktop handles colorsync? The new Mac Studio arrives on 23rd, and I could run it headless from the mac pro, running high sierra...?

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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2025, 02:10:39 pm »

]The profiles are good - nice, dead clean B&W and neutrals in colour images - but about 1/3rd of a stop darker than the profiles I've made over the years for our 8400, using profiler with 2371 patches. The deepest blacks are blocked, so I guess I'll break out the i1 in the new year, and start working through the media for the more demanding clients.
Random bonus question:
Anyone (Mr Rodney) know whether/how Apple Remote Desktop handles colorsync? The new Mac Studio arrives on 23rd, and I could run it headless from the mac pro, running high sierra...?
Sounds like a bug with Black Point Compensation? Never used Remote Desktop, but I can't fathom why it wouldn't.
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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2025, 02:16:22 pm »

Thanks Andrew,

Didn't even think about rendering intents, was stuck in kid in a sweetshop mode.

I use ARD lot a, as we run range of antiquated kit here... Guess I'll have to trawl the colorsync users mailing list.
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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2025, 03:11:55 pm »

Guess I'll have to trawl the colorsync users mailing list.
Doesn't get much action, but it is still operating.
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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2025, 05:15:00 pm »

I can't for the life of me work out how to tell Mirage to give me 35 or 50mm leading edge before printing. This is something I use all the time in Fiery, to skip the most tortured of paper curl, or to give me a run in for lamination.
I am not sure Mirage has that feature. I would definitely suggest you reach out to them and ask if it’s there and we can’t find it or (as it sounds more likely) it has not been implemented, in which case I would ask them if they can add that feature.

When Mirage 5 was released, the option to select Black Enhance Overcoat was no longer there for the Epson P5370, so I let them know and asked if they could reinstate it and they took care of it in a point release after a couple of weeks.

Marvin at Dinax is knowledgeable and super responsive/helpful.
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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2025, 04:25:04 pm »

Thanks Gryph, I'll reach out to them in the new year.
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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2025, 06:09:09 am »

4600 installed yesterday with Mirage.

It's fast and quiet! Ran some tests on dog ends of rolls, to see how the Canson and Hahnemuhle profiles behave, and how it handles the unruly last half dozen feet of materials.

The profiles are good - nice, dead clean B&W and neutrals in colour images - but about 1/3rd of a stop darker than the profiles I've made over the years for our 8400, using profiler with 2371 patches. The deepest blacks are blocked, so I guess I'll break out the i1 in the new year, and start working through the media for the more demanding clients.

I can't for the life of me work out how to tell Mirage to give me 35 or 50mm leading edge before printing. This is something I use all the time in Fiery, to skip the most tortured of paper curl, or to give me a run in for lamination.

Auto load is wierd, but works pretty well for normal media. So far I've played with Arches 88, Presige Baryta, HPR satin, HFA Baryta and Canson Lustre 310, and only the leading edge of the PB had minor head strikes (the roll had perhaps 36" left on it).

It's strange running it from my laptop, until a CTO Mac studio, and new Eizo arrive - don't love knowing that I don't know what the image looks like, though I'm still prepping files on the old Mac Pro, with a CG243 (still calibrates well to 90cd, but not compatible with modern OS...), and still running the 8400 for existing editions, until I've got the papers profiled in the new year.

I'm not sure I'll be able to resist the commute in over the winter break, to play...

Random bonus question:
Anyone (Mr Rodney) know whether/how Apple Remote Desktop handles colorsync? The new Mac Studio arrives on 23rd, and I could run it headless from the mac pro, running high sierra...?

Make sure to use Perceptual as Rendering Intent

Use Border option to make leading edge before print
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