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New Canon 2600 on order. Should I also order ink?
« on: September 05, 2025, 02:05:50 pm »

Well, my Canon 8300 finally quit. It gave me an error code that might go away if I replace the right print head ($550), or it might require more service.This November would have been 15 years, so I think it's time to replace it.  I decided that since I no longer do canvas prints and 95% of my print orders can be handled with a 24" printer, I would order a new Canon 2600. How much ink is left after the initial set up? Should I plan on ordering some more ink right away? Thanks!
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Re: New Canon 2600 on order. Should I also order ink?
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2025, 10:34:56 pm »

The starter cartridges are nearly depleted by the time it is done priming itself. All of them are flagged "Running Low." Mine printed about another half a roll and then I needed to replace 3 of the cartridges.

If you plan to use it a lot right off the bat, buy a full set.
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2025, 12:58:42 pm »

Well, my Canon 8300 finally quit. It gave me an error code that might go away if I replace the right print head ($550), or it might require more service.This November would have been 15 years, so I think it's time to replace it.  I decided that since I no longer do canvas prints and 95% of my print orders can be handled with a 24" printer, I would order a new Canon 2600. How much ink is left after the initial set up? Should I plan on ordering some more ink right away? Thanks!

PRO-2600 like other PRO printers has large retention tanks for each channel that have approx. 100ml capacity. After initial setup there’s not much ink left in the carts, but after you’ll drain carts completly and ! sign in yellow triangle will appear you can still run on the ink from retention tanks and use approx. 80ml until you reach critical ink level, printing will stop and X sign on a red circle will appear. It means that in fact you have between 140-120ml of ink per each channel at your disposal, which should let you print well over 100-140sqm of photos
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Re: New Canon 2600 on order. Should I also order ink?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2025, 02:47:06 pm »

One of my tanks lit up with the red X after printing about 20 square feet. Three other ones made it to about 70 ft2.
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Re: New Canon 2600 on order. Should I also order ink?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2025, 01:37:22 pm »

PRO-2600 like other PRO printers has large retention tanks for each channel that have approx. 100ml capacity. After initial setup there’s not much ink left in the carts, but after you’ll drain carts completly and ! sign in yellow triangle will appear you can still run on the ink from retention tanks and use approx. 80ml until you reach critical ink level, printing will stop and X sign on a red circle will appear. It means that in fact you have between 140-120ml of ink per each channel at your disposal, which should let you print well over 100-140sqm of photos

Thanks for the info, 100ml is for me a lot.  I now know that I can wait for quite some time before ordering.

When the ! is there and I have -after some time- bought a new cartridge, what's best :  wait with installing till the X happens or replace it together with another that hits the X first?

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Re: New Canon 2600 on order. Should I also order ink?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2025, 02:06:40 pm »

Thanks for the info, 100ml is for me a lot.  I now know that I can wait for quite some time before ordering.

When the ! is there and I have -after some time- bought a new cartridge, what's best :  wait with installing till the X happens or replace it together with another that hits the X first?

Doesn't really matter, the cart is empty so you can replace it without any ink waste, or you can print until it gets "X-ed"
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Re: New Canon 2600 on order. Should I also order ink?
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2025, 05:10:52 pm »

Don't know if you've pulled the trigger yet, but i would absolutely keep the 8300 unless the dual roll thing is for you.  The old Canons are built way better than the newer ones, and you can get the heads and ink cheaply these days.  I run a pair of 9400s and somebody would have to come out with something pretty substantially better for me to switch. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2025, 04:50:13 am »

Don't know if you've pulled the trigger yet, but i would absolutely keep the 8300 unless the dual roll thing is for you.  The old Canons are built way better than the newer ones, and you can get the heads and ink cheaply these days.  I run a pair of 9400s and somebody would have to come out with something pretty substantially better for me to switch.

I’m using my PRO-4000 for over 8 years without a single service, and it’s so much better than my previous iPF 8300 that I suppose you must be joking. I just added PRO-2600 and it’s even better. PF10 print heads are way more durable than PF5, and usually last for well over 30l of inks - I didn’t change mine for 5 years and it still prints flawlessly. Moreover when PF5 dies it can sometimes damage motherboard and carriage board, and you can only find it out after it fries another PF5s that you just replaced, so you end up replacing or fixing 2 boards and replacing 3 print heads to get it running again.

New PRO-x600 is superfast, uses way less ink than x300, has substantially better quality, scrach resistance and longevity, and is 10x more ergonomic, pure joy to use. Plus there will be something nice coming for PRO-x600 users in a couple of weeks I can’t talk about yet.
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Re: New Canon 2600 on order. Should I also order ink?
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2025, 05:22:31 pm »

No, im not joking.  The ink stability of the yellow was a significant downgrade, but I think they addressed that by now?  I used a pro 4000 and pro 6000 for about 7 years as well, and I had to do so many manual feed adjustments with those machines because of the way they made the feed roller about half the diameter of the ones in the previous series.  I have no idea what you're talking about in terms of durability, in my experience it was about even.  I'm also speaking from operation in a production environment where we were making dozens of extremely large prints a day and swapping papers in and out constantly.  As far as the heads frying the motherboard... in the 12 years ive been using 3 different 9400s ive never had anything like that happen.  I did fry my own EEPROM chip from the maintenance cartridge slot by doing something stupid... a weird way to find out that the printer stores all of it's motherboard data as a backup on the maintenance cartridge board...  but after troubleshooting that for a few days I was able to replace it with a blank chip that cost 50 cents and it reloaded everything.

not to mention that they didn't change anything about dot sizes between the heads, so sure, alignment might be a bit easier with a single head, but you're basically paying double for the same technology (PF05s are the same as PF04s and PF03s as well and can be cross flashed if you have a chip resetter).

As far as ergonomics are concerned... i guess it's just different strokes.  i far prefer physical buttons and levers to touchscreens.

Anyway, properly calibrated and tuned up I find the quality of the prints out of these machines to be pretty much identical, except there's a slight reduction in gamut because of the omission of the green ink.  I never found a ton of use for chroma optimizer, but sometimes it would be nice to get rid of gloss differential.  If the new inks for the x600 series are indeed much more scratch resistant, then that is a substantial improvement, but otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by "substantially better quality" when we're talking about the same dot sizes and mostly identical printhead technology.  Maybe they improved their internal dithering algorithms. idk.  Enlighten me.
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Re: New Canon 2600 on order. Should I also order ink?
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2025, 06:58:24 pm »

There is no real evidence that Canon has improved their ink longevity from the previous worst in class inkset.

I was a part of the live webinar they had on the new 24 and 44  inch pigment printer “upgrades” when they went on the market.

I asked if they had improved the permanence  situation , the guy in charge said they “should be “
 better than Lucia 2 ( which is sad ) . I asked where the evidence was? He said they had submitted the tests to Wilhelm which gives a direct comparison to Epson and HP. That was like 2.5 years ago, still nothing. Either they didn’t like what they heard or they never even submitted the samples.

I also asked him if they replaced those old bluish grays with more neutral grays so you don’t have to use all that yellow for neutral bw. He said no, they didn’t change the grays.

I don’t know of anyone was impressed with their little printer unveiling webinar anyway.
They spent most of their time talking bs , like all about their environmentally friendly packaging and stuff like that. 

Most people I’ve talked to wish they had the green ink back.






quote author=Lessbones link=topic=145026.msg1267038#msg1267038 date=1757712151]
No, im not joking.  The ink stability of the yellow was a significant downgrade, but I think they addressed that by now?  I used a pro 4000 and pro 6000 for about 7 years as well, and I had to do so many manual feed adjustments with those machines because of the way they made the feed roller about half the diameter of the ones in the previous series.  I have no idea what you're talking about in terms of durability, in my experience it was about even.  I'm also speaking from operation in a production environment where we were making dozens of extremely large prints a day and swapping papers in and out constantly.  As far as the heads frying the motherboard... in the 12 years ive been using 3 different 9400s ive never had anything like that happen.  I did fry my own EEPROM chip from the maintenance cartridge slot by doing something stupid... a weird way to find out that the printer stores all of it's motherboard data as a backup on the maintenance cartridge board...  but after troubleshooting that for a few days I was able to replace it with a blank chip that cost 50 cents and it reloaded everything.

not to mention that they didn't change anything about dot sizes between the heads, so sure, alignment might be a bit easier with a single head, but you're basically paying double for the same technology (PF05s are the same as PF04s and PF03s as well and can be cross flashed if you have a chip resetter).

As far as ergonomics are concerned... i guess it's just different strokes.  i far prefer physical buttons and levers to touchscreens.

Anyway, properly calibrated and tuned up I find the quality of the prints out of these machines to be pretty much identical, except there's a slight reduction in gamut because of the omission of the green ink.  I never found a ton of use for chroma optimizer, but sometimes it would be nice to get rid of gloss differential.  If the new inks for the x600 series are indeed much more scratch resistant, then that is a substantial improvement, but otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by "substantially better quality" when we're talking about the same dot sizes and mostly identical printhead technology.  Maybe they improved their internal dithering algorithms. idk.  Enlighten me.
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2025, 08:23:02 am »

No, im not joking.  The ink stability of the yellow was a significant downgrade, but I think they addressed that by now?  I used a pro 4000 and pro 6000 for about 7 years as well, and I had to do so many manual feed adjustments with those machines because of the way they made the feed roller about half the diameter of the ones in the previous series.  I have no idea what you're talking about in terms of durability, in my experience it was about even.  I'm also speaking from operation in a production environment where we were making dozens of extremely large prints a day and swapping papers in and out constantly.  As far as the heads frying the motherboard... in the 12 years ive been using 3 different 9400s ive never had anything like that happen.  I did fry my own EEPROM chip from the maintenance cartridge slot by doing something stupid... a weird way to find out that the printer stores all of it's motherboard data as a backup on the maintenance cartridge board...  but after troubleshooting that for a few days I was able to replace it with a blank chip that cost 50 cents and it reloaded everything.

not to mention that they didn't change anything about dot sizes between the heads, so sure, alignment might be a bit easier with a single head, but you're basically paying double for the same technology (PF05s are the same as PF04s and PF03s as well and can be cross flashed if you have a chip resetter).

As far as ergonomics are concerned... i guess it's just different strokes.  i far prefer physical buttons and levers to touchscreens.

Anyway, properly calibrated and tuned up I find the quality of the prints out of these machines to be pretty much identical, except there's a slight reduction in gamut because of the omission of the green ink.  I never found a ton of use for chroma optimizer, but sometimes it would be nice to get rid of gloss differential.  If the new inks for the x600 series are indeed much more scratch resistant, then that is a substantial improvement, but otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by "substantially better quality" when we're talking about the same dot sizes and mostly identical printhead technology.  Maybe they improved their internal dithering algorithms. idk.  Enlighten me.

1) Yellow in LUCIA PRO2 (LP2) now uses dual pigment types instead of one, so print longevity should be better than LUCIA (LEX) EX and UltraChrome Pro. There will be no WiR tests.
2) Scratch resistance is vastly improved due to wax addition
3) CO is anti-reflective, improves scratch resistance even further, and reduces gloss differential and bronzing. It has much more impact on prints than the marginal green gamut difference that can be seen on 0,01% of photos with supersaturated emerald/jade greens (LEX G is rather blue-green as B is rather violet than blue), especially as the gamut of LP2 is now also improved
4) PF10 is much more durable than both PF5 altogether, so at the end of the day the cost of print head replacement is at least 2-3x lower. Both my iPF6350 and iPF8300 had motherboards failures caused by PF5s damage, there was a technician in my country that was known for fixing them (250$), but after repair you had to dump both print heads and put brand new ones. Maybe x400 was less prone to these issues.
5) Screening and dot placing order algorithms had evolved and are driven by more powerful signal processors, MBK is darker, overall LP2 inks are denser ("drier") so the ink consumption is lower and it dries faster
6) As far as ergonomics are concerned PRO-x600 has both physical buttons, levers and touchscreen, it prints much faster, loads paper faster in both automatic and manual way, aligns print head automatically (without using paper), the irritating pause between prints is now shorter, it measures the amount of paper left on a roll without printing those stupid bar codes, recognises the kind of paper being loaded, has light in printing area and translucent ink carts covers.
7) Grey inks are as neutral as Switzerland

Attached - Pro Luster at Highest Quality, with CO and without CO:
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Re: New Canon 2600 on order. Should I also order ink?
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2025, 12:17:13 pm »

“ should be “  ( more stable yellow ) appears to be the new scientific method for Canon now.

They are probably 1/3 the display life of what HP developed 20 years ago.







quote author=Czornyj link=topic=145026.msg1267043#msg1267043 date=1757766182]
1) Yellow in LUCIA PRO2 (LP2) now uses dual pigment types instead of one, so print longevity should be better than LUCIA (LEX) EX and UltraChrome Pro. There will be no WiR tests.
2) Scratch resistance is vastly improved due to wax addition
3) CO is anti-reflective, improves scratch resistance even further, and reduces gloss differential and bronzing. It has much more impact on prints than the marginal green gamut difference that can be seen on 0,01% of photos with supersaturated emerald/jade greens (LEX G is rather blue-green as B is rather violet than blue), especially as the gamut of LP2 is now also improved
4) PF10 is much more durable than both PF5 altogether, so at the end of the day the cost of print head replacement is at least 2-3x lower. Both my iPF6350 and iPF8300 had motherboards failures caused by PF5s damage, there was a technician in my country that was known for fixing them (250$), but after repair you had to dump both print heads and put brand new ones. Maybe x400 was less prone to these issues.
5) Screening and dot placing order algorithms had evolved and are driven by more powerful signal processors, MBK is darker, overall LP2 inks are denser ("drier") so the ink consumption is lower and it dries faster
6) As far as ergonomics are concerned PRO-x600 has both physical buttons, levers and touchscreen, it prints much faster, loads paper faster in both automatic and manual way, aligns print head automatically (without using paper), the irritating pause between prints is now shorter, it measures the amount of paper left on a roll without printing those stupid bar codes, recognises the kind of paper being loaded, has light in printing area and translucent ink carts covers.
7) Grey inks are as neutral as Switzerland

Attached - Pro Luster at Highest Quality, with CO and without CO:
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2025, 04:30:29 am »

“ should be “  ( more stable yellow ) appears to be the new scientific method for Canon now.

They are probably 1/3 the display life of what HP developed 20 years ago.

I’m not „Canon”, and wrote „should be” because external accelerated permanence tests are not finished yet.

It should be closer to HP Viviera and better than UltraChrome Pro and Lucia EX.
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Re: New Canon 2600 on order. Should I also order ink?
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2025, 02:03:47 pm »

I just thought I should follow up once I set up and installed my new printer. After initial set up, the ink levels on the display are at about 20%. After just 3 days of off and on use, it's already warning that the CO cartridge will need to be replaced soon. I did order a complete set of new inks and I would suggest that if you do any amount of printing that you have a set on hand after installation.
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2025, 03:37:06 am »

i thought someone had already mentioned this in this thread but i guess not

all the Canon printers have sub-tanks so that they can continue printing without stopping while you change cartridges, so rest assured that it didn't waste a whole bunch of ink, it just loaded up its sub-tanks (probably a hundred or so ml?  I've seen them physically but not had any way to measure.  But yeah, you should pretty much always get full cartridges as well with a new printer, unless you really aren't planning on using it much... in which case... i don't know why you'd be buying it instead of getting stuff printed for you.  Even if the carts run out completely it will still let you print for a little while.
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2025, 08:54:12 am »

Have they fixed the ink level reporting - coming from an 8400 (and before that 8300), levels could drop from 40% to 20% to zero in a random length of time/print...
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2025, 09:04:44 am »

i thought someone had already mentioned this in this thread but i guess not

all the Canon printers have sub-tanks so that they can continue printing without stopping while you change cartridges, so rest assured that it didn't waste a whole bunch of ink, it just loaded up its sub-tanks (probably a hundred or so ml?  I've seen them physically but not had any way to measure.  But yeah, you should pretty much always get full cartridges as well with a new printer, unless you really aren't planning on using it much... in which case... i don't know why you'd be buying it instead of getting stuff printed for you.  Even if the carts run out completely it will still let you print for a little while.

Correct - there's approx. 100ml of ink in each subtank, and you can print until there's only ~20ml left, red circle with x appears and it stops
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Re: New Canon 2600 on order. Should I also order ink?
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2025, 09:07:32 am »

Have they fixed the ink level reporting - coming from an 8400 (and before that 8300), levels could drop from 40% to 20% to zero in a random length of time/print...

I never had such issues even with my PRO-4000, so I suppose PRO-x600 should be the same
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