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direct to Canada camera sales - bypass US tariffs
« on: May 05, 2025, 05:45:22 pm »

Pentax seems to have announced an online direct-to-Canada store (https://shoppentax.ca). This seems to be a way to bypass US tariffs. Lindt chocolate has announced direct to Canada exports; they previously shipped to the US from where Canadian orders were filled. I wonder if there are more chocolate lovers in Canada than Pentax buyers. My first camera was a Spotmatic, bought in 1968, and I still use it now and then.

It will be interesting to see if MPB(UK) begins to ship to Canada if sales into Canada from MPB(US) stall. I emailed a couple of the UK stores a month ago that sell used photo gear but they don't ship to Canada. Does anyone know if their exports to continental Europe suffered after Brexit?

I'm hoping that Peugeot/Citroen and others start to export into Canada from the French islands off Newfoundland, St Pierre-Miquelon. I'm annoyed that Mexico, Central and South America can get all kinds of interesting European cars but Canada doesn't. I want a small light vehicle and they are no longer sold here.
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2025, 06:28:30 pm »

Pentax seems to have announced an online direct-to-Canada store (https://shoppentax.ca). This seems to be a way to bypass US tariffs. Lindt chocolate has announced direct to Canada exports; they previously shipped to the US from where Canadian orders were filled. I wonder if there are more chocolate lovers in Canada than Pentax buyers. My first camera was a Spotmatic, bought in 1968, and I still use it now and then.

It will be interesting to see if MPB(UK) begins to ship to Canada if sales into Canada from MPB(US) stall. I emailed a couple of the UK stores a month ago that sell used photo gear but they don't ship to Canada. Does anyone know if their exports to continental Europe suffered after Brexit?

I'm hoping that Peugeot/Citroen and others start to export into Canada from the French islands off Newfoundland, St Pierre-Miquelon. I'm annoyed that Mexico, Central and South America can get all kinds of interesting European cars but Canada doesn't. I want a small light vehicle and they are no longer sold here.


Buying in Spain from Britain.

I used to use a London dealer, Grays of Westminster, after my local Spanish wholesaler bit the dust due to the loss of the valuable colour print and processing chemicals market a few years after digital came along. Wonderful company, Grays, around a long time, and Nikon specialists. Brexit came and that, for me, was the end of that. Import duty. Pointless even thinking about it.

For you, it would all depend on import duty as charged by Canada.

In the event, Brexit helped end my interest in equipment. I live on the Spanish island of Mallorca; it doesn’t offer the kind of photographic services taken for granted in some countries, taste and try before you by is a myth, and prices are high: my old wholesaler here, you had to be a professional to buy from them at wholesale prices, was about the same price as in Britain, buying at retail there.

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Re: direct to Canada camera sales - bypass US tariffs
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2025, 05:01:37 am »

UK stores .......Does anyone know if their exports to continental Europe suffered after Brexit?
Yes, massively. Exporting secondhand goods into the EU now involves far more complex paperwork and costs. Exporting new goods is even harder and hitting small manufacturers hard, it's often simply not viable at all.

I'm a little surprised that UK dealers won't supply Canada. If there was something special you really, really wanted and were prepared to pay the cost of shipping and duties I'm sure they'd make the sale, but the high shipping and duty costs may put many off for routine items.
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2025, 08:24:42 am »

Yes, massively. Exporting secondhand goods into the EU now involves far more complex paperwork and costs. Exporting new goods is even harder and hitting small manufacturers hard, it's often simply not viable at all.

I'm a little surprised that UK dealers won't supply Canada. If there was something special you really, really wanted and were prepared to pay the cost of shipping and duties I'm sure they'd make the sale, but the high shipping and duty costs may put many off for routine items.

I only emailed two of them so I'm sure it's not fair for me to generalize. I can see that shipping to Canada from UK might not be cheap, but I can get all kinds of low-priced items from China on eBay anytime. Kametori in Finland ships to Canada and their final price (incl shipping, taxes, etc) is not a lot higher than importing same equip from MPB/KEH in the US. There is something odd if shipping from UK to Canada is prohibitively higher than from Finland or China, which could easily be the case I suppose. Import rules can be arcane, I don't pretend to understand them.

Back in the day, I bought and sold a bit K-mount gear thru eBay to/from the US. Sometimes on a purchase I'd be charged some low duty over and above Ontario sales taxes. But sometimes I would not be charged any duty or taxes and it seemed to be random so maybe it's a question of spot checks. Not sure why Canada should have an import duty on camera gear, but maybe it's not to protect a manufacturing industry but rather to protect a retail industry. I simply don't know.

If the US persists in imposing tariffs in this haphazard way, other countries will re-align in ways that are convenient for them.
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2025, 08:51:50 am »

all kinds of low-priced items from China on eBay anytime.
The key factor in this is low cost goods slipping through borders without the need for complex customs declarations and taxes.
The Chinese have instigated a phenomenal export system for small goods. Incredibly efficient, fast and cheap.
I regularly get small amounts of electrical components via Aliexpress, free 8 day shipping for any order over £8, fully tracked from factory to my door and any taxes prepaid. That the cost of the parts can be a tenth of the UK price too is staggering. (Although I wouldn't touch anything on Temu with a bargepole)

One off exports of higher priced goods is always going to be more expensive. UK camera dealers won't be globally exporting items on a regular basis, so won't have the knowledge or systems in place to make the process as economical as producers like China.
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2025, 10:03:12 am »

Yes, massively. Exporting secondhand goods into the EU now involves far more complex paperwork and costs. Exporting new goods is even harder and hitting small manufacturers hard, it's often simply not viable at all.

I'm a little surprised that UK dealers won't supply Canada. If there was something special you really, really wanted and were prepared to pay the cost of shipping and duties I'm sure they'd make the sale, but the high shipping and duty costs may put many off for routine items.


On the bright side, as seen from the Sun (the one in the sky), the UK has just announced a great new trade deal with India, which once India starts to make cameras, will be wonderful! Of course, shipping a third of the way round the world from India costs nothing. Well, it must be so, it was all costed and worked out before the Brexit vote was presented to the British people… of course it was.

Actually, if there was a way for the UK camera shops to form a united front and investigate an export-to-Europe strategy based in Dublin…
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2025, 10:40:09 am »


On the bright side, as seen from the Sun (the one in the sky), the UK has just announced a great new trade deal with India, which once India starts to make cameras, will be wonderful! Of course, shipping a third of the way round the world from India costs nothing. Well, it must be so, it was all costed and worked out before the Brexit vote was presented to the British people… of course it was.

Actually, if there was a way for the UK camera shops to form a united front and investigate an export-to-Europe strategy based in Dublin…


Could they set up offshore 'pirate' import/export companies on boats similar to the old time pirate radio stations?  :)
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2025, 02:09:09 pm »


Could they set up offshore 'pirate' import/export companies on boats similar to the old time pirate radio stations?  :)

You know, that might not be as far out an idea as it seems at first glance. With modern technology and tax-dodge expertise, it could be as simple as the willingness of the importing country to turn a blind eye to some limited irregular deliveries (that don’t affect local manufacturers) from some “friendly” countries. After all, in the case of cameras, who in the West - other than Leica -makes viable alternatives to Canikon and the rest?

It could be problematic for cars: they are big items and require available support companies to exist. It's tough enough trying to sell electric cars to people living in apartments: how do they charge them at favourable rates if they have no access to private electricity plug points?
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