Iphone 15

[mdijb]

I have that "The iPhone 15 does not support ProRAW, however    Is that Accurate?

[digitaldog]

Not accurate.
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/09/apple-unveils-iphone-15-pro-and-iphone-15-pro-max/

[fdisilvestro]

It seems accurate to me. According to the Apple site:

Image formats:

Iphone 15 & 15 Plus: HEIC, JPG

Iphone 15 Pro & 15 pro Max: HEIG, JPG, DNG (ProRaw)

In any case that is with the standard camera app, it is possible that other apps can take raw images, not sure about  Proraw.

[francois]

Let's see if third parties app developers can find a way around this limitation. Halide, maybe??

[digitaldog]

The oddly phrased question:

I have that "The iPhone 15 does not support ProRAW, however    Is that Accurate?

The accurate answers:

[digitaldog]

Halide has provisions for raw for my old iPhone 12 so indeed, that's very likely too.
Great app.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I have that "The iPhone 15 does not support ProRAW, however    Is that Accurate?

It is both accurate (doesn't support) and not accurate (does support)... depending on your definition of what is is "iPhone 15":

[Jonathan Cross]

I am confused about the advertised 7 lenses on the iPhone 15 Pro Max.  These have been categorised as Macro, 0.5x (13mm), 1x (24mm), 1.2x (28mm), 1.5x (35mm), 2x (48mm), and 5x (120mm).  The main 1x lens is given as being 48MP, though 24MP is also quoted, and the 5x is given as 12MP.  I cannot find the MP of the other lenses, so I rang Apple support this morning.  I spoke to an advisor and he said he would find out.  After hanging on for 20 minutes, he came back to me and said that information was not available, but there would be an announcement in due course!

This matters to me as I print and would probably want to use all the lenses.  On my ILC camera, if I change the lens, the MP stays the same as it is dictated by the sensor.  I am not at all sure this is the case with the iPhone 15 pro max as the lenses are built in and the 5x is only 12MP.  There has been uncertainty in the press about Apple's wording on whether the 1.2, 1.5 etc are crops or not. Whether they are crops or not, I would like to know the pixel dimensions for each.  I assume all the lenses produce 4x3 images. If they are crops, why bother when I could crop a 1x, 24mm 48MP to exactly what I want in LR.

It is all very puzzling to me.  Am I missing something?

Jonathan

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

If I am not mistaken, only 13mm, 24mm, and 120mm are real optical lenses and each has its own sensor. Thus 13mm and 120mm are 12mpx, and only 24mm is 48mpx. Other lenses, namely 28, 35, and 48 are digital zooms.

[Manoli]

... but if you're shooting in ProRAW mode you can get the full 48 MP image for cropping and editing. The camera defaults to a 24 mm focal length, but 28 mm and 35 mm options are also made possible by the large sensor, and you can set any of the three focal lengths as your default.

Collectively, Apple says that the three lenses can shoot in macro, 13 mm, 24 mm, 28 mm, 35 mm, 48 mm, and 77/120 mm modes without using digital zoom.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/09/apples-new-iphone-15-pro-gets-new-chips-better-cameras-and-a-titanium-frame/

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

If the camera uses the large sensor to achieve 28mm and 35mm, then it is cropping, which is basically a digital zoom, no?

[fdisilvestro]

If the camera uses the large sensor to achieve 28mm and 35mm, than it is cropping, which is basically a digital zoom, no?

Correct, the rest is just marketing.

[dmiller62]

Useful to read all of this: (scroll down to the Cameras section)

The iPhones 15 Pro (and iPhones 15)

(it's not "just marketing").

[Manoli]

@dmiller62
thanks for posting this!

Admins: still getting database errors which prevent me from posting 😩

[fdisilvestro]

The 28mm and 35mm are digital crops. There are only three physical lenses, with each one related to a physical sensor. Any other combination is a digital crop / zoom.

What is the difference with just cropping in post? Well, they do computational photography after cropping to generate a 24 MP image regardless of the "lens" (virtual or real) used. it does not change the fact that it is a crop.

So, yes, for me it is just marketing