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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2023, 08:57:00 pm »

So going forward I guess we can say, "Don't take it, make it!" ;-)
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2023, 09:47:53 am »

Is Adobe eating itself? Possible. As an ex retoucher, I can see a lot of jobs eliminated, although offshoring to the third world via the internet has accomplished a lot of that.

https://archive.vn/2023.07.25-090929/https://www.businessinsider.com/adobe-ai-firefly-kill-graphic-designer-jobs-cut-seat-sales-2023-7
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2023, 10:49:46 am »

Is Adobe eating itself?
There are no right answers to wrong questions -Ursula K. Le Guin
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2023, 01:10:16 am »

Is Adobe eating itself? Possible. As an ex retoucher, I can see a lot of jobs eliminated, although offshoring to the third world via the internet has accomplished a lot of that.

https://archive.vn/2023.07.25-090929/https://www.businessinsider.com/adobe-ai-firefly-kill-graphic-designer-jobs-cut-seat-sales-2023-7

AI is not going to replace graphic designers altogether, but it is likely to change the way that they work. Graphic designers will still need to be creative and have a strong understanding of design principles, but they will also need to be able to work with AI tools.
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2023, 05:25:53 pm »

I have been fooling around with the generative fill tool in the new beta version of Photoshop and I am finding it to have great potential.  Right now it is working well at removing small items, such as trash cans, hoses, rubbish piles, polls, etc. from the image better than I could and in a matter of seconds too.  I have even had success at removing whole cars so long as the car was in front of something with out much unique detail, such as a pavement or wall. 

I am also find it is really good at expanding landscape images into panoramas, albeit with limited resolution at the moment.  This could help with my backdrop business. 

Expanding urban and suburban images though, there is still a long way to go.  Likewise, AI really only can work at generating objects, believably, it has ample source material for and if it does not, the failure becomes obvious.  For example, in the historic sections of Philadelphia (Dating back to the 1700s), many of the buildings use what is called a flemish brick bond.  Although the generative fill can reproduce an American bond easily, perhaps even an English bond, it is really poor at Flemish (and Monk) bonds when removing objects in front of the wall.  This makes sense since Flemish bonds went out of style in the 1800s and there are few images available in stock catalogs to train the AI on creating them. 

Another, yet surprising, disappointment is generative fill is not great at removing electrical wires in front of buildings, especially if you are looking at the building on an angle.  In my experiments it either messes up the siding or the parallax or both. 

Of course this is a beta version, and I can only expect it to get better once the actual version is released. 

With that said, we do need to get past the copyright issues first with either new laws or at least a few dozen court cases for working precedents to become established.  Remember, AI, legally, can not create a new unique piece of intellectual property.  Only humans can do that.  So, by law, any AI produced work is going to be an infringement against someone's (or many's) copyright. 

Although Adobe appears to be taking the high road by only allowing their AI to be trained using images from their stock library, others are not so on the up and up, like Stable Diffusion. 

Getty Images sues AI art generator Stable Diffusion in the US for copyright infringement

That lawsuit is for $1.8 trillion btw. 

For the amateur, this is probably not a big deal.  For myself, and other professionals, who will own the copyright of an image that utilizes AI is a big deal that no one really knows the answer to yet.  I realize Adobe going about this in such a way that it will remove the liability of a copyright lawsuit from using an "AI image," but questions around if/how those images can be registered with the copyright office are not going to be answered for a number of years.  With many of my clients, this is not that much of an issue.  Hollywood though is a cut throat industry, so for my backdrops I need the protection registration offers. 
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2023, 03:58:07 pm »

It's now out of beta! But it sounds like it's a metered experience (?).

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2023/09/13/ai-creative-cloud-release-pricing-update?sdid=VG52KCB7&mv=social&mv2=paid-owned

My first render in the new release, from "babbling brook in the fall woods with shallow depth of field, soft lighting, log cabin in the distance"
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2023, 05:59:48 pm »

It's now out of beta! But it sounds like it's a metered experience (?).
Yes and still limited to 1K x1K.
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2023, 07:37:54 pm »

Yes and still limited to 1K x1K.

Thanks Andrew, though it's really easy to keep expanding (this example takes my original to 4033 wide @ 300ppi, reduced here for posting).

Also, I'm stuck on a 2017 i5 Intel SSD iMac right now and the speed for GF in PS is quite good (backend processing, yes?). I did a local Diffusion Bee render earlier and it wanted 15 minutes!

Back home on my M2 Mac Mini it's less than a minute for DB...
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2023, 08:53:21 pm »

I get around the size limitation of PS GF (and Diffusion Bee small renders) by upscaling in Photo AI (in this case, 4X from a PS GF done today).
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2023, 06:36:26 pm »

The new Photoshop 2024 and Generative fill (text-to-image) from a blank canvas. A day at the AI beach!
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2023, 06:37:16 pm »

Forget doing AI people, stick with octopi...
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2023, 06:20:20 am »

Just got Photoshop version 2024 and it needs apples system 13.4 to work well...
I guess it shows how important AI is getting that Abobe urges people to buy the computers that are not even on the market yet.
Ai is the most important change to the computerworld in a long time, making older computers unfit.
I suggest to wait till the M3 is around if you want to buy anyting from Apple that can handle AI properly.

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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2023, 10:43:55 am »

Just got Photoshop version 2024 and it needs apples system 13.4 to work well...
I guess it shows how important AI is getting that Abobe urges people to buy the computers that are not even on the market yet.
Ai is the most important change to the computerworld in a long time, making older computers unfit.
I suggest to wait till the M3 is around if you want to buy anyting from Apple that can handle AI properly.
And now some data:
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/system-requirements.html
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2023, 01:51:44 pm »

and your provided data confirms what i said...
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2023, 01:58:49 pm »

and your provided data confirms what i said...
Except for the bit about 13.4 (or the GPU needs for all users), but whatever. ;)
And zero issues with AI on a 2022 M1 MBP (YMMV).
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« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2023, 02:42:24 pm »

I am not talking about issues,
It is remarkable that Adobe recommends a system as new as 13.4 ( 4 months old)
for sure all cards are on AI when developing the next M3 mac
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2023, 02:55:43 pm »

Adobe and Apple (among others) recommend the latest OS but have shown the minimum requirements; so what? Nothing remarkable, and why the need for M3? M1 handles AI just fine for some of us!
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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2023, 03:42:11 pm »

Most of the Photoshop AI stuff is done in Adobe servers in the cloud, not locally, so no need for the latest and the greatest.

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Re: Photoshop out does itself
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2023, 04:13:54 am »

Adobe and Apple (among others) recommend the latest OS but have shown the minimum requirements; so what? Nothing remarkable, and why the need for M3? M1 handles AI just fine for some of us!
Remarkable is also that when i opened photoshop 2024 for the first time i immediately got an adobe pop-up that said:  photoshop works best with 13.4 Ventura.
never had that before, ever. (I am on 12.6 Monterey)
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