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LeonD

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Capture One on Screen RAW Image Doesnít Match Exported TIF
« on: September 14, 2022, 08:14:18 am »

In Capture One 15.3.3.8, Iíll work on a RAW image (either a RAF (X or GFX) or a DNG (Ricoh)). Iíll get the image to where I like it and then use the Export function to create a TIF.

What Iím noticing in Capture One is that the RAF/DNG image does not match the exported TIF. The RAF/DNG image has significantly more contrast (mostly noticed in the highs). I would think the two should look the same.

Iíve tried exporting with different ICC Profiles and with both sixteen and eight bit and itís still the same, the exported image has less contrast than the RAW image.

I've also tried the above exporting a JPG file.  The exported JPG is the same as the exported TIF.  And neither is like the original RAW.

Any idea what could be causing this?

I've attached two screen shots of an original RAW and exported TIF.

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Re: Capture One on Screen RAW Image Doesnít Match Exported TIF
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2022, 05:11:00 am »

I had the same issue with RAW files from a Fuji GFX 100s. It turned out that C1 and the Fuji film simulations donít work well together. Here is the list of the cameras which supports Fuji film simulation:
 https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002589937-Fujifilm-Film-Simulations?source=search&auth_token=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJhY2NvdW50X2lkIjo5MzQwMTU2LCJ1c2VyX2lkIjozNjg5MzMwMDc2NzgsInRpY2tldF9pZCI6MTQ0NDYsImNoYW5uZWxfaWQiOjYzLCJ0eXBlIjoiU0VBUkNIIiwiZXhwIjoxNTc5NzA3MzIzfQ.8KjlD2ic1ifDw3m3AJ3JDH8BvFhuosOj912qGSQJkF0

I have to select C1 film curve to solve this issue.
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Remko

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Re: Capture One on Screen RAW Image Doesnít Match Exported TIF
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2022, 05:24:41 am »

I had the same issue with RAW files from a Fuji GFX 100s. It turned out that C1 and the Fuji film simulations donít work well together.
I am working with CO 21, a Fujifilm GFX50S and a X-H1,  and do not recognize this issue. So it looks like this is something that came up with the 22 version.

Did any of you reported this to Capture One via a Support ticket?

cheers,
Remko
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amothol

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Re: Capture One on Screen RAW Image Doesnít Match Exported TIF
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2022, 07:24:43 am »

Yes I did reprort the issue to Capture One support. They are aware of the problem. They sent me the link in my first post. If your camera is not on the list Fuji film simulation will not work correctly.
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Re: Capture One on Screen RAW Image Doesnít Match Exported TIF
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2022, 07:53:39 am »


Did any of you reported this to Capture One via a Support ticket?


I did take a ticket out with Capture One.  And they did reply (in a reasonable amount of time).

Here's their reply:

You may find this article useful: Why do the colors differ in the Viewer and on the output image?
 
In Capture One you don't have fixed pixels, you have raw data that we scale and apply adjustments to after the scaling takes place.
We render directly from the raw file to the final output size, so the pixels don't exist until you generate an output file, which affects what details are present.
 
When you view at 100%, we are rendering the image as it will process at 100%. The same goes at 50% view and 33% view. At those smaller zoom levels, we are rendering that size file, not processing to 100% and scaling down. This allows you to see accurately what smaller files will look like.
 
When you are zoomed out, we are displaying a fixed size preview (you can choose the size in Preferences). This fixed size previews will have the details present when processing directly to that size.
 
With small details, i.e. stars, when you process/export at a higher resolution, some details can be lost in the resolution.
You will see that when you zoom in, the image may look different. This is due to the RAW file being read instead of the lower resolution preview.

In order to see how your image will look once processed, you should consider using Recipe Proofing and/or view the image at 100% zoom in.
For details, see Proofing recipes.


And to be honest, when I zoom in, I don't see as much, if any of a difference.  That said, I feel my issue is at the most basic level.  It's not like I'm comparing a print to a screen image.  If I have a RAW image on my screen and do an export to print, I would expect the two to look the same.
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Re: Capture One on Screen RAW Image Doesnít Match Exported TIF
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2022, 09:55:26 am »

And to be honest, when I zoom in, I don't see as much, if any of a difference.  That said, I feel my issue is at the most basic level.  It's not like I'm comparing a print to a screen image.  If I have a RAW image on my screen and do an export to print, I would expect the two to look the same.

There is no one-right-way to show an image on screen when magnification is other than 100%.

If you want a lower res version to match (C1 to some other app) you should set a process recipe to that lower resolution and use the proof function.

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Re: Capture One on Screen RAW Image Doesnít Match Exported TIF
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2022, 10:54:04 am »

I had the same issue with RAW files from a Fuji GFX 100s. It turned out that C1 and the Fuji film simulations donít work well together. Here is the list of the cameras which supports Fuji film simulation:
 https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002589937-Fujifilm-Film-Simulations?source=search&auth_token=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJhY2NvdW50X2lkIjo5MzQwMTU2LCJ1c2VyX2lkIjozNjg5MzMwMDc2NzgsInRpY2tldF9pZCI6MTQ0NDYsImNoYW5uZWxfaWQiOjYzLCJ0eXBlIjoiU0VBUkNIIiwiZXhwIjoxNTc5NzA3MzIzfQ.8KjlD2ic1ifDw3m3AJ3JDH8BvFhuosOj912qGSQJkF0

I have to select C1 film curve to solve this issue.

Ah, that makes sense! Thanks for your reply, Amothol.

cheers,
Remko
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