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dgberg

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We are adding a 20" solvent Roland Bn-20a printer cutter to our operation. Now to figure out the software issues and there are a ton of them. Our whole shop is Mac. The Affinity Designer program is Mac. The Roland is run by Pc Versaworks Rip. The Graphtec cutter can be run on Pc or Mac and our preference is to keep everything Mac. We do have Parallels on our Mac in the event we get stuck using it. If we start using Mac Adobe Illustrator for design it can print straight to the Roland using the installed drivers and we can dump the Pc Versaworks.

Now to throw Imageprint in the mix. Imageprint Red is available for $599 and is stripped to the point of being useless. You get no profiles with the Red which means we cannot use it with our Staple of printers unless we use our existing profiles. (Black with profiles is $2495) We would like to use Imageprints new "Cut It Out" software on our stand alone Graphtec. Here is where they get you. The Imageprint Red is just about worthless but you must buy it to be able to use the Cut It Out. Those two pieces of software are $900 and all you get is the capability to gang photos together and automatically cut them out. Do you have any idea how long it takes to get back $900 printing and cutting smaller prints? We do very few small print packages but thought it would fit in nicely for wedding photographers that still order smaller prints.
I have been watching Imageprint from the sidelines for at least 10 years and could never get past their pricing structure. The new Cut It Out program could be a huge seller but never at $900. Maybe $99 or even $199 but instead Imageprint is pricing 90% of interested buyers right out of the market. Probably pass on it too. Anyone here have a solvent Roland or a stand alone cutter I would love to hear your input on some of these issues.

Cut It Out Link
https://youtu.be/LksXrgwqfts
« Last Edit: February 06, 2022, 10:29:46 am by dgberg »
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Richard.Wills

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Hi Dan,

Intrigued as to where the BN20 fits into your production plans.

I've run print and cut from my Canon 8400, when using self adhesive vinyl for a few jobs. Where files were from illustrator, I used the cutting master plugin to generate crop marks, then exported the files as jpegs and dropped them onto the efi rip. Printed, then laminated, then back to illustrator and cutting master to cut. For a job that involved printing and cutting a couple of hundred infinity cubes, I made a template in illustrator (from memory around 22x72") with the cut lines drawn in order for the cutting order. I saved this a print template in lightroom, then laid out the pages (this was mind numbing, but it was a one off project for an artist). Printed to jpeg, then over to rip, then laminate, then illustrator and cutting master again. These were kiss cut, rather than perf, but I think the same could be done with perf cut.

If you're planning on making set layouts for print and cut, you could create cutting templates in illustrator as I did, and hop around between different applications. Or get a rip (which is what IP is) that does print and cut, but I think most of the alternative rips cost as much if not much more per year than IP.

If you're planning on cutting wood or cotton based photo papers, I'd expect you to get through a fair number of blades, as these are rough fibrous materials.

For small prints, we got an Epson D800. Print and cut all day long. The Order Controller lite software cost half as much as the printer...
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Just wanted a small solvent print & cut for vinyl. Heat transfer vinyl for apparel and then the adhesive vinyl for outdoor equipment, laminated of course. For now I am going to make all the promotional products for my printing business as well as all the promotional products for our rental lodge. Lastly my nephew owns a pretty large contracting firm with 40 pieces of equipment and 75 employees needing shirts and tons of other stuff.
Once I get it set up and running I do not expect it to sit idle very long.

Link to Roland Bn-20 Print & Cut
https://youtu.be/d6J1yLQyGNE
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Ah, that makes sense. An amusing line form the Roland DGA spec sheet "We also recommend using a hard disk that has large enough capacity, as print files are often tens of GB in size (or larger) when data is high resolution." They've obviously seen the sorts of files my clients send me for getting 10x8's printed.

How long before Uncle Dan gets asked about some nice big banners...
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