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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2021, 09:33:21 am »

I can't wait!  I know all this can be done in PS, but I find it so much easier to do stuff in LR when I can. 
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2021, 05:40:57 pm »

Aaaahhh! The anti-mask nitwits will be pissed!
I thnk the vitally important question is;
Are they introducing VACCINES in LR???    :o  8)  :-[     
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2021, 06:39:15 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLVaLkFPPEA&t=12s

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2021/09/28/from-the-acr-team-masking-reimagined.html#gs.bwoq7o

Going into ACR as well

It's not clear to me if this will be offered to Lightroom purchased V6 or only the CC variety?  Will this be offered in ACR?  My PS Elements goes to ACR on RAW images before switching to the regular edit portion.

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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2021, 12:35:56 pm »

If it works well as advertised, this looks to me to be one of the biggest and most useful changes in LR/ACR in years. Looking forward to trying it out.
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2021, 10:48:15 pm »

It's not clear to me if this will be offered to Lightroom purchased V6 or only the CC variety?  Will this be offered in ACR?  My PS Elements goes to ACR on RAW images before switching to the regular edit portion.

Alan, I think you will find it only on the monthly licensed LRC, LR, & PS(ACR).  Whether it ever flows down to PS Elements…??

BTW…have you seen any of the functional (monthly licensed) LR/ACR functions get updated in V6?  I’d suggest it is time to move on…whether with Adobe or some other software if you want improved function.
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2021, 03:14:56 pm »

The question that has come up for me on this new tool is how will my local adjustments be migrated to it. My guess is that each local adjustment button that is placed on an image will be migrated to a mask.

Has anyone seen a migrated image with local adjustments?
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2021, 04:48:03 pm »

It's not clear to me if this will be offered to Lightroom purchased V6 or only the CC variety? 
It isn't (yet) clear that you'll get NO new features or bug fixes in V6 anymore?
LR6 was released 6 years ago. 
You see any updates to features since CC was release????
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Will this be offered in ACR?
A modern version? Yes. One you currently 'own' (you don't subscribe to), no. Had you actually read the OP's post, well, he correctly stated it is in ACR too.
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My PS Elements goes to ACR on RAW images before switching to the regular edit portion.
Your old and intentionally crippled (by Adobe) version of ACR in Elements; unlikely, very unlikely again you'll ever see anything like these new features there.
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2021, 04:52:06 pm »

The question that has come up for me on this new tool is how will my local adjustments be migrated to it. My guess is that each local adjustment button that is placed on an image will be migrated to a mask.
Has anyone seen a migrated image with local adjustments?
I don't understand your question about 'migration'.
The masks are stored as XMP metadata in the catalog (as far as Lightroom Classic is concerned). ACR is a bit different, no catalog but again, the masks are XMP (sidecar), like all the other parametric edits. The new masks are of course NOT backwards compatible. Your older masks will 'migrate' to newer versions if that's what you worry about.
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2021, 10:44:52 am »

The question that has come up for me on this new tool is how will my local adjustments be migrated to it. My guess is that each local adjustment button that is placed on an image will be migrated to a mask.

Has anyone seen a migrated image with local adjustments?

I suspect that existing local adjustments won't need to be "migrated"; they'll continue in the old vector-based format.  The new masking options (subject, sky...) will use bitmap masks, but the existing selections (brush, gradient, range...) will continue to use vector-based descriptions. 

See this Adobe blog, which includes:

With the new masking functionality, we needed to make it possible for both vector-based as well as bitmap-based masks to live together in harmony. The brush, gradients, and range masks continue to be vector-based (to limit space used when making masks) while the AI-powered tools such as select subject and select sky use these bitmap-based masks.

That suggests that using the new bitmap-based masks might lead to huge XMP files (or similarly large space in the Lightroom catalog)!  Hey, ho, storage is cheap...
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2021, 05:26:47 pm »

I wonder if they are going to save that information in the XMP file or use an additional channel (like an alpha channel) forcing the use of DNG. Other option is a separate file with the mask as in Capture one.

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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2021, 05:29:14 pm »

I wonder if they are going to save that information in the XMP file or use an additional channel (like an alpha channel) forcing the use of DNG.
There is NO forcing the use of DNG but it's a good idea if you want this data and more, embedded into the actual image document.
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2021, 02:26:17 pm »

I don't understand your question about 'migration'.
The masks are stored as XMP metadata in the catalog (as far as Lightroom Classic is concerned). ACR is a bit different, no catalog but again, the masks are XMP (sidecar), like all the other parametric edits. The new masks are of course NOT backwards compatible. Your older masks will 'migrate' to newer versions if that's what you worry about.

In the new UI the top develop tool bar now has 4 tools: Crop Rotate, Healing (bandaid) guessing spot removal, Red Eye, and the New Mask tool. The New Mask tool is where Brush, Linear and Radial Gradients will be performed. There is not an option to choose between vector or bit mapped, the new Masks are the only option.
There are no tools for the old vector based Brush, Linear and Radial Gradient tools. This implies to me that any Brush or Gradient (Linear or Radial) adjustments from the old process will be imported/migrated/converted (pick your term) to the new process. They cannot be orphaned.
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2021, 02:37:37 pm »

There is not an option to choose between vector or bit mapped, the new Masks are the only option.
Indeed, no option or need. They are what they need to be.
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There are no tools for the old vector based Brush, Linear and Radial Gradient tools.
Yes there still are such tools in the newer version(s).
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This implies to me that any Brush or Gradient (Linear or Radial) adjustments from the old process will be imported/migrated/converted (pick your term) to the new process. They cannot be orphaned.
I am sill unclear by the term orphaned, they can and do travel forward if that's what you mean and are concerned about.
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2021, 03:04:31 pm »

Indeed, no option or need. They are what they need to be. Yes there still are such tools in the newer version(s). I am sill unclear by the term orphaned, they can and do travel forward if that's what you mean and are concerned about.

In a couple days we’ll all know….but if you say it’s all there, I’m sure it is.

Additionally, Adobe rarely ‘orphans’ anything.  They have been very careful to, mostly, continue older processes even when replaced with new ones.
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2021, 03:07:17 pm »

In a couple days we’ll all know….but if you say it’s all there, I’m sure it is.
In a couple days you'll know.
Some of us, have been hammering on this for many months.  ::)
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2021, 03:41:39 pm »

There is not an option to choose between vector or bit mapped, the new Masks are the only option.
I am sure it will be vector based... as the whole LR program is.
Makes it much easier to go backwards without having the size of the DNG explode.
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2021, 09:20:45 am »

In the new UI the top develop tool bar now has 4 tools: Crop Rotate, Healing (bandaid) guessing spot removal, Red Eye, and the New Mask tool. The New Mask tool is where Brush, Linear and Radial Gradients will be performed. There is not an option to choose between vector or bit mapped, the new Masks are the only option.
There are no tools for the old vector based Brush, Linear and Radial Gradient tools. This implies to me that any Brush or Gradient (Linear or Radial) adjustments from the old process will be imported/migrated/converted (pick your term) to the new process. They cannot be orphaned.

They migrate. The new UI is as much about bringing the three existing tools together into one feature, allowing you to group the local adjustment (ie make a Mask), and then about adding new capability such as sky and subject selection.
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Re: New masking in LR coming out
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2021, 11:00:39 am »

They migrate. The new UI is as much about bringing the three existing tools together into one feature, allowing you to group the local adjustment (ie make a Mask), and then about adding new capability such as sky and subject selection.

Sounds reasonable, since both ‘gradient’ & ‘radial’ already had ‘brush’ components.
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