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Canon ProGraf Pro 1000 --> Epson P900?
« on: June 05, 2021, 04:22:59 pm »

Has anyone gone from Canon ProGraf Pro 1000 to Epson P900? If so are you happy with your decision? Any regrets? I am on the fence to either go with the newer Epson or the tried and tested Canon. I had heard a lot about how canon has a suction mechanism that holds the paper down and is meant to be superior to the P800. But does that still hold water with the new Epson? When I google YouTube I get fan boys on both side giving why one should buy one over the other. Need some real life experiences!!!

I downsized from the 44" Z3200 to nothing and would ideally like something that will take slightly bigger than the 17" wide paper but I guess it is a good compromise from space saving perspective.

Any thoughts/comments appreciated.
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Re: Canon ProGraf Pro 1000 --> Epson P900?
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2021, 09:45:26 pm »

I assume you don't have room for a 24" printer? Have you considered the Epson P5000?
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Re: Canon ProGraf Pro 1000 --> Epson P900?
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2021, 01:05:02 am »

I assume you don't have room for a 24" printer? Have you considered the Epson P5000?

Well I do have the room and no I have not looked at the P5000. I'll take a look to see what that has to offer. I am not a print shop but just need to print art prints on an as need basis. So printer maintenance, avoiding ink wastage, printer head health is something I have top of my mind.
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Re: Canon ProGraf Pro 1000 --> Epson P900?
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2021, 08:46:52 am »

Well I do have the room and no I have not looked at the P5000. I'll take a look to see what that has to offer. I am not a print shop but just need to print art prints on an as need basis. So printer maintenance, avoiding ink wastage, printer head health is something I have top of my mind.
All printers require some use to be "happy." The Pro 1000 has a reputation for using 50% of its ink just to keep the head clean. Epsons also require either regular use or daily nozzle checks.

I also print intermittently. I have a Canon ipf6400 24" printer which requires very little maintenance. I just run a nozzle check on it once a week and its fine. I'm not familiar with the new Canon 24" printer but if requires as little maintenance as mine does that might be your best bet.
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Re: Canon ProGraf Pro 1000 --> Epson P900?
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2021, 02:41:22 pm »

Certainly a Canon Imageprograf 1000 is NOT for you if you print sporadically.  There is an enforced head clean at some debated period (around 30 hours seems popular) such that a every 48 hours your will need to execute a nozzle check to defeat.  Forget and a lot of your ink will be going into the maintenance cartridge!

The Epson does indeed have the (infamous?) pizza-wheel paper handling mechanism and there have been some reports of its less than robust build.   
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Re: Canon ProGraf Pro 1000 --> Epson P900?
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2021, 06:07:32 pm »

I've got four Epson P800s, a P900, a P5000, an old 7900 and a canon i1000 and between them and regularly print between 50 and 300 prints a day (depending on the time of year and demand, sometimes more).

 - The i1000 has the best paper feed of all of them, but also has limited full-bleed capabilities at different sizes, so if you want full-bleed 11x14, you'd be better off with the P900.

 - To save time, we do a lot of full bleed prints in the printer vs any trimming, so that's important to us. If you're printing with a margin/border, it might not be.

 - I've found getting the color right on the Canon to be a much harder prospect — we went from 3380s to P800s and the color was nearly the same out of the box. Getting the i1000 to look like the p800 was a much harder process for me. I know a lot of folks milage varies and they are happy with the i1000, but even using Colorrite's i1 studio a few times, some prints just don't match what I'm getting on a similarly calibrated p800, p900 or 7900.

- The P900 does feel like a little better detail in darks than the P800.

- The P5000 is a big printer, but it's feed mechanism is better than either the P800 or P900 — you can set a big stack in the feeing tray and usually it "just works." Of course, it wont' do full bleed on 11x14 either, so again, if that's important I'd look @ a P900. I don't find the colors as vibrant on the P5000, even after calibration, but totally within tolerance.

- The P900's feed mechanism has not improved over the P800s, if anything, in my experience it has gotten worse. I print 95% on matte paper (red river, usually) and out of the box the P900 wouldn't always grab an 11x14 sheet.

- The P900 also has a much slower manual feed than the P800, and I've been really disappointed with it. The P800 would just take the paper much more easily, where as the P800 makes you wait a bit and press a button twice before it feeds (once to start, again to load).

Since I overprint so much, I do a lot of maintenance on the P800s, basically cleaning out the sponges and trying to freshen the rollers. Since I'm only doing matte I never really have the problem of "switching inks" like the P900 fixes.

Like other folks have said, if you're not printing regularly, things will get clogged and ink will be wasted. These printers were made to be used regularly. I let the i1000 sit for a few weeks and it basically emptied the cartridges trying to clean and get it back printing... which is expensive.

My fantasy printer would be a P5000 with the P900 inks, the i1000's vacuum feed and cheap user-replaceable overprint sponges.
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Re: Canon ProGraf Pro 1000 --> Epson P900?
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2021, 07:54:18 pm »

A lot of good advice here - Thank you.

My challenge with the 4" HP Z3200 was that it sat for ever and I would then print a print and it would sit forever again. After 3 years I realized I only used it probably 5 times and luckily someone bought it from me (unbelievable) as I thought I would have to be paying the garbage people to take it from my driveway :-)

Now I am fishing again. I will say I did like the large 40x30 prints but I am just a hobbyist and even though I have the space the wife will have another fit if I was to bring in something anywhere close to a 44" printer.

I am trying to make myself like the 17" wide format (Canon or Epson) but keep thinking the prints are going to look like 4x6 compared to the 40x30. Maybe I just need to get over it and get a smaller printer.

The other alternative would be to use a print house but then I will have less control over the output (I think).

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Re: Canon ProGraf Pro 1000 --> Epson P900?
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2021, 04:18:10 am »

You sold the only printer on the market which (sort of) allows non-usage like that.
If you still dont plan to print regularly you should really be looking at good print house.

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Re: Canon ProGraf Pro 1000 --> Epson P900?
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2021, 03:18:46 pm »

Interesting dilemma. Many folks, myself included have had excellent luck with the Epson 38xx series. The P800 has a similar reputation for being tolerant of low usage without clogging or needing head cleans. I looked at the P5000 since it has a good reputation (read Mark Segal's review), uses huge cartridges, low cost per ml of ink, and excellent print quality even though MK-PK switching does use some ink. But if P5000's exist, I've not been able to find one, though I'm not aggressively looking. My beloved 3880 keeps chugging along.

I have had a few episodes of 24 inch printer lust but each time, careful reading of reviews seems to indicate that without frequent use, clogging is inevitable. I'm not willing to get a Canon, excellent though they might be, because I use Roy Harrington's QTR RIP to print my black and white images and the RIP works only with Epson printers. In fact, it's not even fully functional with the P900 (glossy only at this time). I just keep hoping my 3880, now 13 years old, keeps going.

Good luck on your quest.
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Re: Canon ProGraf Pro 1000 --> Epson P900?
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2021, 04:30:50 pm »

I have had a PRO-1000 for just under a year and have not had any problem with ink being used up. I do print an Unclog Job using Qimage every 4 days. I also have the IPF8400 (since 2014) and print an Unclog Job on the same schedule. Once I started regular exercising of the print heads on the latter, I've had little trouble. Hope it stays that way.

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Re: Canon ProGraf Pro 1000 --> Epson P900?
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2021, 04:11:20 pm »

quote "I do print an Unclog Job using Qimage every 4 days"

I specifically bought QImage for this same purpose but my Pro 1000 experienced the jammed cartridge design fault so I have retired it.  less than 2 years old and perhaps only 150 A3s?  Sad but true.  It is still sat here looming over me until I can get a hand to take to dump.
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Re: Canon ProGraf Pro 1000 --> Epson P900?
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2021, 08:04:38 am »

I have to say that contrary to the experience of IPDouglas, my pro-1000 has not experienced such problems.

After several month parked due to the Covid crisis, it woke up, pumped some ink and was ready to go. It does not appear to be using 50% of ink for cleaning in regular use. Your milage may vary.
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Re: Canon ProGraf Pro 1000 --> Epson P900?
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2021, 02:52:18 pm »

what do you mean by 'parked'?
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