Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine

[TechTalk]

You're not consistent. You just want to silence those you disagree with. 

I've regularly suggested that members posting in this thread not hijack the thread for other purposes and to move the political posts to the political thread. I've never suggested that anyone be silenced. Now... here's your crying towel.

[Alan Klein]

I've regularly suggested that members posting in this thread not hijack the thread for other purposes and to move the political posts to the political thread. I've never suggested that anyone be silenced. Now... here's your crying towel.

Why didn't you object to Peter's post? You seem to be a fair man.

[TechTalk]

Because it isn't political.

Any trace of sympathy I have for the willfully unvaccinated vanishes when I read about the people with non-Covid illnesses who have died because they needed an ICU bed but none was available due to unvaxxed covid patients. Here's one account: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/13/1036593269/coronavirus-alabama-43-icus-at-capacity-ray-demonia

Where is the politics in that? You sound like a child trying to spread blame for being too rowdy in the backseat of the car.

[Alan Klein]

Because it isn't political.

Where is the politics in that? You sound like a child trying to spread blame for being too rowdy the backseat of the car.

When Peter expresses his opinion and sympathy about someone;s opinions and actions, that's politics.  How does that differ from my points.  I'm criticizing the administration for screwing up Covid test kits.  Isn't that about this topic.  What else are you going to discuss?

[TechTalk]

Been there—done that. I'm moving on.

[digitaldog]

Because it isn't political.

Where is the politics in that? You sound like a child trying to spread blame for being too rowdy the backseat of the car.

I suspect it's signs of his Dementia:

https://www.agingcare.com/articles/amp/154554

A senior who is afraid, confused, frustrated and/or unable to communicate effectively can be easily agitated. They may rely on confabulation or “lies” to fill the gaps in their memory, and they may demonstrate childlike behaviors such as emotional outbursts and downright noncompliance with instructions and requests. To caregivers, this behavior may come across as intentionally manipulative, but this is rarely the case. “Dementia patients lose cognitive skills like logic, reasoning, problem-solving and decision-making,” explains Poiley.

[TechTalk]

What else are you going to discuss?

U.S. COVID-19 Patients in Hospital

• December 27, 2021 - 74,692

• December 29, 2021 - 85,514

• January 1, 2022 - 96,500

• January 3, 2022 - 108,759

• January 5, 2022 - 121,412

• January 7, 2022 - 131,774

* Data may change due to differences in reporting dates and times from different locations. Corrected data from sources may also be updated over time.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/current-covid-patients-hospital-country=USA

[TechTalk]

Any trace of sympathy I have for the willfully unvaccinated vanishes when I read about the people with non-Covid illnesses who have died because they needed an ICU bed but none was available due to unvaxxed covid patients. Here's one account: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/13/1036593269/coronavirus-alabama-43-icus-at-capacity-ray-demonia

Infectious diseases don't spread uniformly. Spikes, surges, and waves of infection vary in time, place, and severity.

These are the six states in the U.S. where current hospital ICU occupancy is highest...

• Kentucky ICU Beds in Use - 91.52%
• Kentucky ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 28.79%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 3.3
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 54.82%

• Missouri ICU Beds in Use - 90.94%
• Missouri ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 38.25%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 3.5
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 54.49%

• New Mexico ICU Beds in Use - 90.33%
• New Mexico ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 34.87%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.2
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 66.85%

• Texas ICU Beds in Use - 89.92%
• Texas ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 27.82%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.6
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 58.91%

• Alabama ICU Beds in Use - 89.74%
• Alabama ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 20.44%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 3.9
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 48.28%

• New Hampshire ICU Beds in Use - 89.45%
• New Hampshire Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 32.07%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 1.9
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 68.09%

* U.S. National Average ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.7

** U.S. Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 63.20%

https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/icu-beds

[LesPalenik]

Worldometer stats for yesterday:
New cases - 870K in USA, 44K in Canada
Deaths: 2066 in USA, 84 in Canada

From my own personal observations (on the streets, stores, TV), it seems that Canadians mask more than Americans. That might explain why the US has (per capita) 220% more infections and 280% more deaths.

BTW, during the recent cold spell, I started to wear my mask also outside. The mask helps to warm up the cold air before it gets to the lungs. Works great.

[TechTalk]

Canada also has a much higher percentage of its population fully vaccinated than the U.S. at 78.48% vs the U.S. at 63.20%. Undoubtedly, there are other factors that contribute as well.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region

[Alan Klein]

Infectious diseases don't spread uniformly. Spikes, surges, and waves of infection vary in time, place, and severity.

These are the six states in the U.S. where current hospital ICU occupancy is highest...

• Kentucky ICU Beds in Use - 91.52%
• Kentucky ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 28.79%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 3.3
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 54.82%

• Missouri ICU Beds in Use - 90.94%
• Missouri ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 38.25%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 3.5
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 54.49%

• New Mexico ICU Beds in Use - 90.33%
• New Mexico ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 34.87%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.2
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 66.85%

• Texas ICU Beds in Use - 89.92%
• Texas ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 27.82%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.6
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 58.91%

• Alabama ICU Beds in Use - 89.74%
• Alabama ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 20.44%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 3.9
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 48.28%

• New Hampshire ICU Beds in Use - 89.45%
• New Hampshire Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 32.07%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 1.9
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 68.09%

* U.S. National Average ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.7

** U.S. Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 63.20%

https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/icu-beds

maybe the figures wouldn't be as bad if we had test kits. Why is the president holding them up?

[TechTalk]

Been there—done that. I'm moving on.

[TechTalk]

Infectious diseases don't spread uniformly. Spikes, surges, and waves of infection vary in time, place, and severity.

These are the six states in the U.S. where current hospital ICU occupancy is highest...

• Texas ICU Beds in Use - 94.18%
• Texas ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 33.71%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.6
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 58.99%

• New Mexico ICU Beds in Use - 94.09%
• New Mexico ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 39.95%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.2
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 67.00%

• Delaware ICU Beds in Use - 91.67%
• Delaware ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 64.47%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.7
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 65.80%

• Kentucky ICU Beds in Use - 89.37%
• Kentucky ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 30.9%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 3.3
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 54.88%

• Missouri ICU Beds in Use - 88.52%
• Missouri ICU Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 40.52%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 3.5
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 54.57%

• Alabama ICU Beds in Use - 88.41%
• Alabama Beds in Use for COVID-19 - 23.67%
• ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 3.9
• Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 48.35%

* U.S. National Average ICU Beds per 10,000 Population - 2.7

** U.S. Percentage of Population Fully Vaccinated - 63.31%

https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/icu-beds

[Alan Klein]

Let's hope this happens to take the pressure off ICU's and hospitals.

The surge in cases related to the Omicron variant of Covid-19 could peak within a month in the U.S., with cases in the most impacted states starting to decline by the end of January, according to some experts.
https://www.barrons.com/articles/when-will-us-covid-cases-omicron-peak-51641544919

[Alan Klein]

An interesting statistic about Omicron.  Where does that leave people who don't have four comorbidities?  Should the government keep the economy open more?  Why is she revealing this information? What does she mean it's "really encouraging news"?


CDC Director Rochelle Walensky Tweets After Backlash Over Omicron Death Comments
"The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75 per cent, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities," she said.

"So really these are people who were unwell to begin with and yes, really encouraging news in the context of Omicron."
https://www.newsweek.com/cdc-rochelle-walensky-tweets-backlash-comments-omicron-death-comorbidities-1667329

[LesPalenik]

An interesting statistic about Omicron.  Where does that leave people who don't have four comorbidities?  Should the government keep the economy open more?  Why is she revealing this information? What does she mean it's "really encouraging news"?

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky Tweets After Backlash Over Omicron Death Comments
"The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75 per cent, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities," she said.
"So really these are people who were unwell to begin with and yes, really encouraging news in the context of Omicron."
https://www.newsweek.com/cdc-rochelle-walensky-tweets-backlash-comments-omicron-death-comorbidities-1667329

Most probably she meant that for majority of people omicron is not fatal, but the choice of words was unfortunate and not very compassionate. Somebody in her position should know better and think twice before opening the mouth. It also means that quite a few non-compromised omicron carriers will feel inconvincible and will contribute to unnecessary infections and deaths of many people with comorbidities.

[TechTalk]

The post was just bait for a circular political debate.

https://youtu.be/GMA Interview New Study Vaccines Prevent Severe Disease Omicron

[Robert Roaldi]

The post was just bait for a circular political debate.

https://youtu.be/GMA Interview New Study Vaccines Prevent Severe Disease Omicron

Agreed. When you listen to the quote in context, she did not mean to say, nor did she say, that it was good news that people with co-morbidities were dying.

[TechTalk]

When you don't have the context of the question being asked or the answer in full, you can clip out a couple of statements and take them for a spin.

[Alan Klein]

Most probably she meant that for majority of people omicron is not fatal, but the choice of words was unfortunate and not very compassionate. Somebody in her position should know better and think twice before opening the mouth. It also means that quite a few non-compromised omicron carriers will feel inconvincible and will contribute to unnecessary infections and deaths of many people with comorbidities.

That was a point I was trying to make. That the administration is currently letting out statistics kept quiet before to their turnabout regarding keeping the economy open more than before. The rationale being that 75% of the population that died had four co-morbidities.

Previously, she mentioned the statistic that 600000 of the 800,000 Americans who died were 65 and over. If you combine those two statistics, young people seem to get through this okay. So why shut the economy for the young and healthy?  Just keep the old and ill isolated.