Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine

[dreed]

Is there anything at all constructive still occurring for each of you in this thread? Is there even a thread?
Reflect and if the thread continues on coarse simply as a place where insults and revisited grievance is dominant then I see no reason to keep it going. Mental health is important. Take stock. Breath. Resume as you see fit.
Thanks

The conversation in this thread and another are being dominated by back and forward with one person that is trolling large numbers of the LuLa forum members and they have has said as much in a recent post. The trolling appears to be for no value other than their own entertainment.

[KLaban]

The conversation in this thread and another are being dominated by back and forward with one person that is trolling large numbers of the LuLa forum members and they have has said as much in a recent post. The trolling appears to be for no value other than their own entertainment.

Just the one?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

https://www.axios.com/chinese-covid-vaccines-low-efficacy-rates-official-f548e76b-d26b-4eab-be5c-cc1060d032f5.html?fbclid=IwAR0ZChvcNhhobRHRm0bJra_eM5AwrMAWgOS2CMAD0wpirg6X35Fj-c3rXRQ

"China's COVID vaccines have low efficacy rates, official says"

The Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention's director said Saturday authorities are considering mixing COVID-19 vaccines because the country's domestically made doses "don't have very high protection rates," per AP.

[Chris Kern]

Here is an excellent website created by a Swiss researcher that allows you to explore data about the genomic analysis of SARS-CoV-2 "variants of interest," along with various tools for visualizing those data over time.

(Attached: a screen grab of a graphic from the site showing the increase in sequences reported by several countries for the B.1.1.7 variant first identified in the United Kingdom.  Note that this shows the proportion of identified genome sequences associated with the variant, not the number of cases of COVID-19 from infections by that variant.)

[Alan Klein]

Here is an excellent website created by a Swiss researcher that allows you to explore data about the genomic analysis of SARS-CoV-2 "variants of interest," along with various tools for visualizing those data over time.

(Attached: a screen grab of a graphic from the site showing the increase in sequences reported by several countries for the B.1.1.7 variant first identified in the United Kingdom.  Note that this shows the proportion of identified genome sequences associated with the variant, not the number of cases of COVID-19 from infections by that variant.)

So if I understand the chart correctly, it seems that Great Britain has more variants to date and the USA seems to be just getting started with variants? Is that the point of this study?

[LesPalenik]

New York Times reports the official covid death toll in Russia was about 57,000 and says that number is under-reported by about...300,000. Now THAT's under-reporting.

Most likely, the infection counts are under-reported in many other countries.

In Canada, the death count is relatively low, but the official infection count has been rising. The emergency departments and ICU's are running at full capacity in many hospitals and surgeries had been cancelled and suspended again.

Many patients who were classified before as waiting for "elective surgeries" are now after more than a year of waiting in critical situations and backlogs are one to two years long. When it comes to seniors, many are either already dead or staying put at home. It's the young reckless idiots who get infected, fill up the emergencies and cause cancellations of cancer, heart and other surgeries, thus indirectly killing many people.   

[Alan Klein]

Most likely, the infection counts are under-reported in many other countries.

In Canada, the death count is relatively low, but the official infection count has been rising. The emergency departments and ICU's are running at full capacity in many hospitals and surgeries had been cancelled and suspended again.

Many patients who were classified before as waiting for "elective surgeries" are now after more than a year of waiting in critical situations and backlogs are one to two years long. When it comes to seniors, many are either already dead or staying put at home. It's the young reckless idiots who get infected, fill up the emergencies and cause cancellations of cancer, heart and other surgeries, thus indirectly killing many people.   

Canada had an issue with long waits before Covid.

[faberryman]

Canada had an issue with long waits before Covid.

Any reason in particular you decided to make that comment?

[LesPalenik]

Canada had an issue with long waits before Covid.

We had many issues with Alan Klein before his last comment.

[LesPalenik]

Last Friday was a record day in Ontario with 541 C-19 patients in ICU's and a projected number of 800 by end of the month. The hospitals were instructed to 'ramp down' all elective surgeries starting Monday. After the first wave the surgery backlog reached 184,000 cases. The latest surgery cancellations will put the backlog in Ontario to over 250,000.

TORONTO -- Starting Monday, most Ontario hospitals will “ramp down” all elective surgeries and non-emergent/non-urgent activities in the wake of a record number of COVID-19 patients in intensive care units. Ontario Health President and CEO Matthew Anderson released a memo on Thursday to hospital CEOs and primary care providers telling most hospitals across the province to scale back elective surgeries as of 12:01 a.m. on Apr. 12. “Today, given increasing case counts and widespread community transmission across many parts of the province, we are facing mounting and extreme pressure on our critical care capacity,” he said.

A study published by the Canadian Medical Association Journal in September estimated that the move to delay elective care amid the first wave resulted in a backlog of more than 184,000 surgeries. It said at the time that it could take upwards of 84 weeks to clear.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-hospitals-told-to-ramp-down-all-elective-surgeries-starting-monday-1.5380634

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/fauci-asymptomatic-transmission-has-never-been-the-driver-of-outbreaks_pPPVzXKMCEbAO2W.html?lang=type&fbclid=IwAR2WpvCPBRR9Z0rWUmM4fgfzUry4IKOIThwil_0DtdYp_WtVsozah960yPQ

For those unwilling to click on the video link, here is a transcript:

[Chris Kern]

For those unwilling to click on the video link, here is a transcript:

In January, 2020, when Dr. Fauci made the remark in that video clip, he was stating a fact.  No respiratory epidemic had ever been caused by infected individuals with no symptoms and virologists believed asymptomatic transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, if it happened at all, was extremely rare.

In the year since then, the evidence has accumulated that a significant number of COVID-19 cases are the result of transmission by asymptomatic individuals, which includes those who have not yet developed symptoms (presymptomatic) as well as those who never will.  The precise proportion of symptomatic to asymptomatic transmission is still unknown.

In this respect, as well as others, the SARS-CoV-2 virus has turned out to be, as they say in the trade, a "novel coronavirus."

Remarkable, isn't it?  Sometimes things happen which have never happened before.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... In the year since then, the evidence has accumulated that a significant number...

An equal number of studies resulted in numbers ranging from zero to negligible.

But the real question behind this statement is the one Alan Klein would raise, and rightfully so: science flip-flopping. Yeah, yeah, I know, science is a never-ending process of expanding knowledge in light of new evidence, blah, blah, blah.

The next question is then: if that was the state of the art science a year ago, why were the healthy quarantined and locked down, instead of just the sick? The explanation then was that the "healthy" may not be healthy at all, just asymptomatic. See the contradiction?

P.S. Between "this time it is different" (which failed every time it was used as an excuse) and "nihil novi sub sole," guess which one I believe more?

[faberryman]

But the real question behind this statement is the one Alan Klein would raise, and rightfully so: science flip-flopping. Yeah, yeah, I know, science is a never-ending process of expanding knowledge in light of new evidence, blah, blah, blah.

I agree. Medical research should have stopped once doctors discovered that bleeding with leeches and purging with clysters could restore the balance of the four humors. I'll also add the now apparently required argument: blah, blah, blah.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I agree. Medical research...

Sarcasm duly noted, but misplaced. As I stated, medical research in the last year did not find asymptomatic transmission. That is, until woke scientists panicked that their (and their masters) main narrative is failing, and started producing "research" that asymptomatic account for up to 60% of all transmission. The numbers before (but after Dr. Fauxi's statement, and half way through the pandemic) the woke jumped into the fray was zero to negligible.

[faberryman]

Sarcasm duly noted, but misplaced. As I stated, medical research in the last year did not find asymptomatic transmission. That is, until woke scientists panicked that their (and their masters) main narrative is failing, and started producing "research" that asymptomatic account for up to 60% of all transmission. The numbers before (but after Dr. Fauxi's statement, and half way through the pandemic) the woke jumped into the fray was zero to negligible.

So we have moved from "fake news" to "fake research". Not totally unexpected.

[James Clark]

Sarcasm duly noted, but misplaced. As I stated, medical research in the last year did not find asymptomatic transmission. That is, until woke scientists panicked that their (and their masters) main narrative is failing, and started producing "research" that asymptomatic account for up to 60% of all transmission. The numbers before (but after Dr. Fauxi's statement, and half way through the pandemic) the woke jumped into the fray was zero to negligible.

I sort of feel bad for you guys.  It now seems de rigueur for you wingnuts to throw "woke" onto the fire whenever you're trolling out your pejoratives.  To economize, you could start just using letters, like "CSLW." (Commie Socialist Woke Liberals)

Like when us lefties had to keep adding letters to LGBTQ etc - saves a TON of bandwidth, and all your homies will appreciate the anti-virtue signaling

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I sort of feel bad for you guys.  It now seems de rigueur for you wingnuts to throw "woke" onto the fire whenever you're trolling out your pejoratives...

You are actually right.  It is inevitable these days, given just how far the woke "culture" has penetrated everything, from universities, to the media, to workplace and company policy. I wouldn't mind using the good old commies, fascists, socialists, liberals, etc., but for the fact that most Americans a. do not understand what those terms mean and b. do not realize that their wokeness is actually all that combined. But since the term "woke" is the term YOU guys invented, not us, we are giving you the courtesy of calling things the way you like it. Why would you complain then?

[faberryman]

Here is an explanation of the origin or the word "woke". I don't know if it is accurate, but I kind of like the idea of the beatniks made it up.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/woke

[James Clark]

You are actually right.  It is inevitable these days, given just how far the woke "culture" has penetrated everything, from universities, to the media, to workplace and company policy. I wouldn't mind using the good old commies, fascists, socialists, liberals, etc., but for the fact that most Americans a. do not understand what those terms mean and b. do not realize that their wokeness is actually all that combined. But since the term "woke" is the term YOU guys invented, not us, we are giving you the courtesy of calling things the way you like it. Why would you complain then?

Hold on. "Fascist" is you guys.  Keep it straight.