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James Clark

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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #700 on: April 03, 2021, 10:55:46 am »

;D ;D ;D

Just more panic-porn.

I have two close friends that have died, and my Father in law was not looking good until he got hit with the monoclonal antibody treatments.  It's not panic porn to me, at least.
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« Reply #701 on: April 03, 2021, 10:59:06 am »

I have two close friends that have died, and my Father in law was not looking good until he got hit with the monoclonal antibody treatments.  It's not panic porn to me, at least.

Sorry to hear that. However, that doesn't have much to do with what I was ridiculing, that is that someone healthy not wearing a mask was responsible for those deaths.

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« Reply #702 on: April 03, 2021, 11:03:22 am »

Sorry to hear that. However, that doesn't have much to do with what I was ridiculing, that is that someone healthy not wearing a mask was responsible for those deaths.

Yeah, I get that.  I'm just saying that if someone, somewhere could have prevented their infections by having a mask on, it seems an inconsequential price to pay.  I guess one could argue that they don't believe masks would have prevented that, but again, it's just so damn small an inconvenience for most of us, y'know?    I really don't understand the problem with it.
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« Reply #703 on: April 03, 2021, 11:10:50 am »

So far you've made no worthwhile contribution of any kind in any of your posts. You're a fly at a picnic and that seems to be the role you enjoy. Pathetic.

I think I can tolerate personal abuse from another hider in anonymity.

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Slobodan Blagojevic

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« Reply #704 on: April 03, 2021, 11:16:29 am »

Yeah, I get that.  I'm just saying that if someone, somewhere could have prevented their infections by having a mask on, it seems an inconsequential price to pay.  I guess one could argue that they don't believe masks would have prevented that, but again, it's just so damn small an inconvenience for most of us, y'know?    I really don't understand the problem with it.

It is a huge inconvenience for me, both physically and metaphorically. You don't muzzle 99.9x percent of the population for the questionable benefit of the 0.0y percent. Having said that, masks have their place,  based on individual decision and assessment of risk: in crowded, purely ventilated spaces, where one would spend more than 10-15 min in close proximity to strangers.

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« Reply #705 on: April 03, 2021, 11:22:24 am »

I think I can tolerate personal abuse from another hider in anonymity.

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Well, thanks for sharing with us that you derive pleasure from provoking personal abuse.

Now, why don't you fly off to some other part of the web and see if you can't find some useful contribution to bring back on the topic of Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine. Until, then, buzz off.
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« Reply #706 on: April 03, 2021, 12:02:56 pm »

Yes, this is a problem because it requires intelligence to put it all together and understand the message.

I can see why you liked Trump - his message was always easy to understand (even if it was wrong.)
Well, I was planning a trip when I first read the headline.  Now, I don't know.  What are the odds I'll get sick anyway?  Do you know?  Would you go on the trip?  Pass on the trip? 

How do you know what to do based on this advisory? 

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« Reply #707 on: April 03, 2021, 12:35:38 pm »

Well, I was planning a trip when I first read the headline.  Now, I don't know.  What are the odds I'll get sick anyway?  Do you know?  Would you go on the trip?  Pass on the trip? 

How do you know what to do based on this advisory? 

Alan, enjoy life. Go on a trip. Do not listen to political idiots, the likes of CDC and Dr. Fauxi.

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« Reply #708 on: April 03, 2021, 12:38:19 pm »

Alan, enjoy life. Go on a trip. Do not listen to political idiots, the likes of CDC and Dr. Fauxi.

Not sure it's that wise to take advice from the guy who said "wake me up when we get to 60K deaths" :-)
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« Reply #709 on: April 03, 2021, 12:39:56 pm »

Not sure it's that wise to take advice from the guy who said "wake me up when we get to 60K deaths" :-)

Well, that doesn't mean anything. I didn't imply it will stop at 60K, just to wake me up. I had it, survived it. You? Still live in fear?

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« Reply #710 on: April 03, 2021, 12:55:25 pm »

I appreciate the advice.  But rhetorically, my main point was that the waffling of our politicians and experts only confuses people.  It's been going on since this began.  People finally throw up their hands in frustration and tell them to screw it.

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« Reply #711 on: April 03, 2021, 03:41:56 pm »

Well, that doesn't mean anything.

It means that you were asleep at the wheel then and are still asleep. Had you been behind the wheel and driving public health response to the pandemic, it would have quickly ended up in a ditch with far more people mourning friends and loved ones than we already have and the virus running even more rapidly beyond any hope of control.

You may view this post as one more bit of "panic porn" for you to laugh at and ridicule. Then again, I'm more interested in science and public health than your entertainment. So, I posted it regardless. Enjoy.
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« Reply #712 on: April 03, 2021, 03:53:14 pm »

Alan, enjoy life. Go on a trip. Do not listen to political idiots, the likes of CDC and Dr. Fauxi.

Politics is not what scientists and doctors at CDC, and other similar institutions, have spent a lifetime researching and studying. It is the prevention and control of infectious diseases. I suspect they are a far better source of information on that particular subject than anyone here, including yourself, despite being a distinguished gentleman, as you are, in other areas of life.
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« Reply #713 on: April 03, 2021, 03:57:51 pm »

I appreciate the advice.  But rhetorically, my main point was that the waffling of our politicians and experts only confuses people.  It's been going on since this began.  People finally throw up their hands in frustration and tell them to screw it.

The confused are mostly those that lack a basic understanding of science, making them an easy target for those with an agenda to spread confusion and distrust of science.
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« Reply #714 on: April 03, 2021, 07:29:05 pm »

The confused are mostly those that lack a basic understanding of science, making them an easy target for those with an agenda to spread confusion and distrust of science.
Did you read my earlier post?  What does a basic understanding of science have to do with deciphering this advice? It seems Yahoo did not understand the advice either.

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Here's an example of my point.  CDC says one thing.  Then they qualify it. Then the president, who tells everyone to listen to the experts, overrides the CDC and qualifies their qualifications.  So what should the poor guy who's trying to get on with life make of these confusing and contradictory edicts?  It's a joke.  Of course, since Biden is overriding experts, and not Trump, the press gives him a pass.


CDC tells vaccinated Americans travel is 'low risk,' as Biden urges caution amid rising infection numbers
While appearing to condone travel, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky still urged even vaccinated Americans to remain at home as case numbers continue to rise, a message that could be confusing for people weighing visits to family or vacation spots.


Speaking from the White House earlier on Friday afternoon in celebration of both jobs gained and coronavirus vaccinations administered throughout the course of March, President Biden also offered a cautious message. “The progress we’ve worked so hard to achieve can be reversed,” he said, speaking of both economic and pandemic-related developments.

“Too many Americans are acting as if this fight is over,” Biden warned a few minutes later. “It is not.”

The White House did not respond to a Yahoo News inquiry regarding whether the president agreed with the new CDC guidance. Such seemingly contradictory messages have marked the response to the coronavirus at all levels of government. Much as every elected official has vowed to “listen to the science,” science and politics rarely walk hand in hand.
https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-tells-vaccinated-american-travel-is-low-risk-as-biden-urges-caution-amid-rising-infection-numbers-185026202.html

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« Reply #715 on: April 03, 2021, 08:00:31 pm »

Did you read my earlier post?  What does a basic understanding of science have to do with deciphering this advice? It seems Yahoo did not understand the advice either.

It isn't hard to understand the advice from CDC or the administration. Individuals that are fully vaccinated are at much lower personal risk to engage in certain activities such as small gatherings with other fully vaccinated individuals without masks and travel without being tested.

However, the pandemic is still not under control. Therefore, masks and social distancing are recommended in public; gatherings other than the ones described above or where distance is difficult to maintain should be avoided; and other hygiene measures practiced as we have been doing.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance

The overall message is that as more people are vaccinated we get closer to control of the pandemic, but it is too soon to relax and think it's over — so, get vaccinated, wear a mask in public, avoid crowded situations, maintain social distancing, follow CDC guidance as it is updated for current conditions, and we can get thru this more quickly, together, and without another unnecessary and unwanted resurgence.

What are you confused about?
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« Reply #716 on: April 03, 2021, 08:23:21 pm »

What does a basic understanding of science have to do with deciphering this advice?

I don't think understanding the science is a prerequisite for being able to decipher the information and recommendations from the federal government.  What is useful is to be able to distinguish the evidence from the guidance.

For residents of the United States (I haven't seen reliable information from other countries), the evidence is that "fully vaccinated" individuals who wear effective face masks, and observe physical-distancing and hand-sanitizing precautions, can probably travel on public conveyances with relatively low risk of infection and very low risk of hospitalization or dying, even if they are exposed to people who are infected.

The guidance is that nobody should travel unless absolutely necessary (e.g., hoping to see a dying family member for the last time) because (1) some proportion of even fully-vaccinated individuals will get infected (probably between five and ten percent, according to the current data, which are likely to change as more evidence is gathered), and (2) the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention only have fragmentary evidence about the effectiveness of the vaccines that have been administered against the mutations of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that are currently circulating.

If you don't want to deal with complexity, or are risk-averse, it isn't very difficult to figure out what to do: stay put for now.
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« Reply #717 on: April 03, 2021, 11:00:55 pm »

Rather than the CDC telling us it's OK to travel but you'd be safer not traveling, would be if they said nothing at all.

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« Reply #718 on: April 03, 2021, 11:22:19 pm »

Here's the summary of recommendations from CDC for those who are fully vaccinated. Which part do find confusing?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated
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« Reply #719 on: April 03, 2021, 11:26:47 pm »

Just more panic-porn.

Seriously, if you've survived COVID-19, get a blood and urine test done to check on the health and function of your internal organs (kidneys, liver, etc.) Or just do it anyway if you don't do it regularly (ie yearly) as early signs of prostate cancer can show up there too. Talk to your doctor.
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