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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2100 on: October 25, 2021, 02:31:06 am »

Here is a concise discussion of vaccines, the unvaccinated, and community (herd) immunity. It predates the pandemic and current politics. It's from 2017, by The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

It's so short that I've copied and pasted it in its entirety below and included their original link to a two-page Q&A sheet.

https://www.chop.edu/news/feature-article-if-vaccines-work-why-do-unvaccinated-people-pose-risk

Feature Article: If Vaccines Work, Why Do Unvaccinated People Pose a Risk?

Published on Sep 12, 2017

Some people ask the question, “If vaccines work, why do unvaccinated people present a risk to those who have been vaccinated?” Two simple facts contribute to this answer. First: Vaccines aren’t 100 percent effective. So even some people who are vaccinated will still be at risk. Second: The greater the number of unvaccinated people in a community, the more opportunity germs have to spread. This means outbreaks are more difficult to stem and everyone is at greater risk of exposure — including vaccinated people.

This latter concept is known as community immunity, or more commonly, herd immunity. Each member of the community contributes to the collective health of the community because the way a pathogen survives is by finding new people to infect. The fewer susceptible people in a community, the less opportunity the pathogen has to spread.

Interestingly, people often do not think about the fact that there are times when every family needs the protection of their community. New babies and infants may be too young to be vaccinated, and older adults or adults being treated for illnesses may be more susceptible to infections as well.

To read more about community immunity and to find considerations for both vaccinated and unvaccinated family members, review the Vaccine Education Center’s newest “Special Topics Q&A” sheet Vaccinated or Unvaccinated: What You Should Know.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2101 on: October 25, 2021, 09:52:40 am »

Here is a concise discussion of vaccines, the unvaccinated, and community (herd) immunity. It predates the pandemic and current politics. It's from 2017, by The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

It's so short that I've copied and pasted it in its entirety below and included their original link to a two-page Q&A sheet.

https://www.chop.edu/news/feature-article-if-vaccines-work-why-do-unvaccinated-people-pose-risk

Feature Article: If Vaccines Work, Why Do Unvaccinated People Pose a Risk?

Published on Sep 12, 2017

Some people ask the question, “If vaccines work, why do unvaccinated people present a risk to those who have been vaccinated?” Two simple facts contribute to this answer. First: Vaccines aren’t 100 percent effective. So even some people who are vaccinated will still be at risk. Second: The greater the number of unvaccinated people in a community, the more opportunity germs have to spread. This means outbreaks are more difficult to stem and everyone is at greater risk of exposure — including vaccinated people.

This latter concept is known as community immunity, or more commonly, herd immunity. Each member of the community contributes to the collective health of the community because the way a pathogen survives is by finding new people to infect. The fewer susceptible people in a community, the less opportunity the pathogen has to spread.

Interestingly, people often do not think about the fact that there are times when every family needs the protection of their community. New babies and infants may be too young to be vaccinated, and older adults or adults being treated for illnesses may be more susceptible to infections as well.

To read more about community immunity and to find considerations for both vaccinated and unvaccinated family members, review the Vaccine Education Center’s newest “Special Topics Q&A” sheet Vaccinated or Unvaccinated: What You Should Know.
My daughter's due next month.  She has recently taken Covid, flu, and other vaccines so the antibodies she produces will flow into the fetus to protect the baby when it's born.  There's also a belief that antibodies are in mother's milk as well providing additional protection. 

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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2102 on: October 27, 2021, 01:49:42 pm »

According to Worldometer, the USA reached 760,000+ total Covid deaths. Both daily infections and daily deaths are decreasing, current wave is on the decline, but as of today the 7-day moving average of daily deaths is still at about 1200, which continues to be a lot of people.

There's a push on to bring criminal charges against Bolsonaro in Brazil for the way he handled (or didn't) the Covid pandemic, https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20211027-brazil-senate-committee-backs-criminal-charges-against-bolsonaro. It's hard to know if that will lead anywhere, but some countries still seem to expect their governments to act in people's best interests. Go figure.

The mayor of Houston is at odds with the Texas governor on how best to handle Covid, https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/27/houston-texas-mayor-turner-fights-abbott-517237, which isn't too surprising since the governor's plan is to not do much of anything.

Everywhere you look, dysfunction.

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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2103 on: October 27, 2021, 03:33:50 pm »

According to Worldometer, the USA reached 760,000+ total Covid deaths. Both daily infections and daily deaths are decreasing, current wave is on the decline, but as of today the 7-day moving average of daily deaths is still at about 1200, which continues to be a lot of people.
Everywhere you look, dysfunction.

That's the price of freedom. Most deaths in the freest country.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2104 on: October 27, 2021, 04:03:05 pm »

There's something to be proud of... Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Of course, without life, it's hard to enjoy the other two—but hey, two out of three ain't bad.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2105 on: October 27, 2021, 04:51:35 pm »

Another well written and concise article from The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. This covers the types of immunity: active immunity, passive immunity, and community immunity.

https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/human-immune-system/types-immunity

They have links within each of their articles to additional articles offering more specific details; so, you can dive more deeply into how immunity works with each article, if you're so inclined.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2106 on: October 27, 2021, 08:07:00 pm »

That's the price of freedom. Most deaths in the freest country.
Well, we have more gun deaths too.  I wouldn't be surprised if we have more auto and drug deaths than others as well.  We get into more wars and conflicts than others.  We just can't sit still like Canadians, be quiet, and mind our own business.  :) 

Freedom costs. 

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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2107 on: October 27, 2021, 08:17:47 pm »

The highest rate of COVID vaccination in the United States... Puerto Rico at 73% fully vaccinated.

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/27/1049323911/puerto-rico-leads-the-us-in-covid-19-vaccine-rates-and-what-states-can-learn

The highest rate of COVID-19 vaccination in the U.S. is not in a liberal-leaning Northeastern or West Coast state.

It's in Puerto Rico, where more than 73% of the total population is fully vaccinated. The U.S. national average is just over 57%.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2108 on: October 27, 2021, 08:30:15 pm »

The highest rate of COVID vaccination in the United States... Puerto Rico at 73% fully vaccinated.

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/27/1049323911/puerto-rico-leads-the-us-in-covid-19-vaccine-rates-and-what-states-can-learn

The highest rate of COVID-19 vaccination in the U.S. is not in a liberal-leaning Northeastern or West Coast state.

It's in Puerto Rico, where more than 73% of the total population is fully vaccinated. The U.S. national average is just over 57%.

It's a good thing for Puerto Ricans that America owns the island or they wouldn't have any vaccines.  They also got bailed out after the hurricanes.   If they vote for independence, then what?  They'll wind up being sick and poor.  That's why most of them really wink at independence.  They know it's a losing proposition for them. 

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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2109 on: October 27, 2021, 10:26:54 pm »

It's a good thing for Puerto Ricans that America owns the island or they wouldn't have any vaccines.  They also got bailed out after the hurricanes.   If they vote for independence, then what?  They'll wind up being sick and poor.  That's why most of them really wink at independence.  They know it's a losing proposition for them.

Surprising that more states don't apply to become protectorates. :)
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2110 on: October 28, 2021, 05:25:48 am »

Instead of taking multiple medications to treat one health problem, here is a wonder drug that fixes two problems:

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A cheap, generically available anti-depressant may reduce the risk of severe Covid-19 disease by close to a third in people at high risk, researchers reported Wednesday.
A trial among about 1,500 patients in Brazil showed those who took the drug, known as fluvoxamine, were less likely to progress to severe disease and to require hospitalization.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/28/health/fluvoxamine-covid-risk-study/index.html
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2112 on: October 28, 2021, 08:33:51 am »

Instead of taking multiple medications to treat one health problem, here is a wonder drug that fixes two problems:


I think it's premature to declare it a wonder drug after one early trial with only 152 patients, and which hasn't been replicated yet.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2113 on: October 28, 2021, 10:07:29 am »

The highest rate of COVID vaccination in the United States... Puerto Rico at 73% fully vaccinated.

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/27/1049323911/puerto-rico-leads-the-us-in-covid-19-vaccine-rates-and-what-states-can-learn

The highest rate of COVID-19 vaccination in the U.S. is not in a liberal-leaning Northeastern or West Coast state.

It's in Puerto Rico, where more than 73% of the total population is fully vaccinated. The U.S. national average is just over 57%.


Puerto Rico is liberal-leaning, however. That's why the idea of statehood horrifies the GOP.
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« Reply #2114 on: October 28, 2021, 10:19:36 am »

Puerto Rico is liberal-leaning, however. That's why the idea of statehood horrifies the GOP.
That's true but more surprising things have happened. 

It's the same reason Democrats are letting in all those illegals from south of the border.  Democrats figure with all their giveaway legislation, they can buy loyalty from the illegals after they make them citizens so they can vote.  At least Puerto Ricans are citizens already. So if they decide they want to be a state, I think that's the right thing to do.  But it should be up to the residents of PR to decide not a bunch of hack politicians in Washington. 

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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2115 on: October 28, 2021, 10:23:29 am »

Is this the new Bear Pit thread now?
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2116 on: October 28, 2021, 06:36:15 pm »

Is this the new Bear Pit thread now?
It's been a sort of Bear Pit Junior for a while now.
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« Reply #2117 on: October 28, 2021, 10:38:51 pm »

Is this the new Bear Pit thread now?

Yes, but you have to put on a mask when you post to this thread.
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« Reply #2118 on: October 28, 2021, 11:19:33 pm »

Yes, but you have to put on a mask when you post to this thread.
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« Reply #2119 on: October 31, 2021, 12:56:59 pm »

This article is about the science around Ivermectin so if you don't trust elites please do not read this, as it will only cause you pain: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19/ivermectin-train-cannot-stop.
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