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Eizo Color Navigator vs BenQ Palette Master Elemant vs ??
« on: November 24, 2020, 06:46:09 am »

I'm having some consistency issues between monitors (on the same PC) -

BenQ main screen - I use Palette Master Element
Eizo 2nd screen - I use Color Navigator 6

Device is X-Rite i1 Display

I use the same settings across both software, White point, black point, gamma, brightness, gamut etc

The BenQ monitor is visibly cooler than the Eizo - in any application, not just when viewing images.

The reason I use these two software's is becasue they are supposedly engineered for each of these monitors and can adjust the screens automatically when calibrating.

But, am I doing this wrong? Should I be using the same software .. like  X-rite iProfiler .. on both screens? Means I need to adjust manually I think.

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Re: Eizo Color Navigator vs BenQ Palette Master Elemant vs ??
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2020, 02:45:51 pm »

Is this cooler appearance also visible when you take a picture with a camera of both monitors simultaneously?
Reason asking is that what your eyes see is not what the i1display sees or any other device.
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Re: Eizo Color Navigator vs BenQ Palette Master Elemant vs ??
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2020, 04:37:48 pm »

Is this cooler appearance also visible when you take a picture with a camera of both monitors simultaneously?
Reason asking is that what your eyes see is not what the i1display sees or any other device.

Yes, I just tried it to be sure.
Even dragging an application over between screens you can see a difference. A color managed photo looks different, even the white of notepad looks different.
Stretching an application window across both monitors so you can see half on each shows a difference, so its not a profile.
It's just warmer on the Eizo.

Annoying because both validations say its own monitor is perfect, but clearly not. (And leads to the question - which one is correct)
I guess the question is around using different monitor specific calibrate software's or sharing a common one.
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Re: Eizo Color Navigator vs BenQ Palette Master Elemant vs ??
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2020, 11:36:56 am »

It may be a big ask to expect an exact match between two monitors even from the same manufacturer.   I have even experienced this with grayscale monitors ordering matched pairs (Dome/Planar) albeit some years back.

So perhaps an even bigger ask to expect a match between two different manufacturers and two different calibration apps?

A very simple way to think about is when you set your aim points for WP, Gamma, Brightness etc your monitor profiling software will aim to get as close to these points as the monitor is capable of and will record this information in the resulting monitor profile.  Colour savvy applications such as PS and LR use the profile information to adjust the image data display to correct as much as possible for any monitor shortcomings in displaying colours within the monitors limitations of course.

This may be a problem that you are unable to solve as our eyes are too good at picking up even the slightest differences in colour.

I would suggest that you may find it easier, in the end, to designate one screen as your primary reference for your work.  Obviously this should be your best screen and I would have thought that this would be the Eizo, although not enough experience of Benq to really make a judgement.

With your main screen calibrated to your requirements look at making a visual match to your secondary monitor by recalibrating WP to be warmer or cooler as needed.  Similarly, adjust the gamma and brightness points as needed

With any luck someone like Andrew (Digitaldog) may see this thread and suggest alternatives
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Re: Eizo Color Navigator vs BenQ Palette Master Elemant vs ??
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2020, 02:59:39 am »

Export validation reports of Both applications and publish these here on the forum. So we can look into these.
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Re: Eizo Color Navigator vs BenQ Palette Master Elemant vs ??
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2020, 05:33:06 pm »

You should check out the You Tube videos from ArtisRight (https://www.youtube.com/c/ArtIsRight/videos) about calibrating the monitors with Palette Master. He has a lot of information concerning your issue. I do not have an Ezio but do have the BenQ and do not use dual monitors. I have posted questions and he was good with responses (and even got him on the phone).
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Re: Eizo Color Navigator vs BenQ Palette Master Elemant vs ??
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2020, 06:05:03 pm »

I also have two monitors one of which is an Eizo. I also found that the whites differed significantly even though the two monitors were calibrated/profiled to the same CIExyY white point. The difference in hue was very noticeable.

Even when both monitors were calibrated with an I1Pro2, the whites differed.

The problem is metameric failure due to spectral differences between the two monitors combined with my personal visual variance from the CIE1931 standard observer. One monitor uses an LED backlight and the other a mercury/fluorescent source. The spectral characteristics are very different. It's well known that people with so called "normal color vision" can, nonetheless, vary quite a bit in how they view spectrally different colors that should be, in theory, perceived as the same. Skipping more technical detail, the approach I took was to calibrate the Eizo, then set the second monitor to a slightly higher cd/m^2 then use a white fill full page comparison with the Eizo. The individual RGB values of the white fill were adjusted in Photoshop curves such that the white of the second monitor matched the luminosity and hue of the Eizo.

Then I measured the CIExy of the second monitor and proceeded to calibrate/profile it but set the chromaticity of it's white point to the measued CIExy value.

Now, when I sit back and view images from Photoshop on both screens they actually match!.  Except for those images that contain colors that exceed the second monitor's gamut. It's not frequently a problem.


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Re: Eizo Color Navigator vs BenQ Palette Master Elemant vs ??
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2020, 08:59:20 am »

I have the same configuration as the OP: Benq monitor (SW271) and Eizo (CS2420), and I use an i1 Display Pro.

First: update to ColorNavigator 7, and check you are using the latest Palette Master Elements, in case there's an issue there.

I too found a discrepancy in white point, but it was worse if I calibrated to a CCT, i.e. a temp like 6500K.  The Eizo was visibly more blue, as you have found.  Bear in mind that this isn't a precise definition, so different software makes could make different assumptions. 

However, D65 (or D50), are precise definitions.  I now calibrate to D65, and if I measure the result with Dispcal, there is still a slight discrepancy (slightly over 100K as measured), but it's barely perceptible if I display pure white on both screens side-by-side. 

I've found this with another monitor compared to Eizo, and I suspect ColorNavigator, at least with the i1 Display Pro, is slightly on the blue side, but the difference is much smaller when using Dxx white point, as opposed to xxxxK
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Re: Eizo Color Navigator vs BenQ Palette Master Elemant vs ??
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2021, 04:27:13 am »

Even with two Eizos, on the same system an older SX2462w and recent Eizo ColorEdge CS2420 I do see differences.

The older is calibrated with EasyPix software and the accompanying EX1 sensor (a rebranded Spyder3), while the CS is calibrated with ColoNavgator7 and a GM (before being bought by X-rite) i-one Pro spectophotometer.

Eizo vs Eizo and yet they're off, so I decided to work on only one display for photo editing and use the old Eizo on my laptop for office and internet.

Reason for both not monitors not having identical output is related to the fact that I use 2 different hardware devices combine with 2 different kinds of software.
Unfortunately I can't use just one software/calibrator combo since both monitors require with their own software.

Grin, nice to know that my Excel sheets are being displayed calibrated on the laptop :-)
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