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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2020, 01:05:18 pm »

One thing to be remembered about these Zs, don’t unplug them and turn them off for long periods. When my 3100 broke a belt I left it for almost a year. All the heads were dried, with a blank nozzle check, and I had to replace all six at a cost of about $430.00. Recently someone offered me a z3200 that was in really good condition, only problem was they did the same thing. Soaking the heads didn’t work, so I passed.

You can leave these printers almost forever plugged in without use, but unplugged for a long time will cost you. The good thing is the ink doesn’t dry in the lines, only the heads.

I am confident the Z series will not wake up at certain intervals to clean and check while being soft-off. In fact it keeps the fan running but nothing more. You cannot even wake it up without pressing the power button.
So I guess doing prints from time to time is the only way to keep the gheads in good condition.

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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2020, 01:28:30 pm »

Mine does, even through the driver illness, my Z3200 kept up its several-times-a-day cleaning, exercising regimen.  I don't turn it off, ever.  I just print and walk away.
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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2020, 02:30:44 pm »

I am confident the Z series will not wake up at certain intervals to clean and check while being soft-off. In fact it keeps the fan running but nothing more. You cannot even wake it up without pressing the power button.
So I guess doing prints from time to time is the only way to keep the gheads in good condition.
If soft-off means using the powerbutton near the screen; I don't soft-off;  I keep it on all the time- it goes to sleep and then wakes now and then to clean a bit.
I agree that printing a small target every week all with colours is a good thing to keep the printer healthy. My Z3100 runs already since januari 2007...
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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2020, 05:13:04 pm »

Yea, both of mine wake up periodically and move the head along the carriage, check the heads, and often clean nozzles.

However, unlike the Canon I have, it doesn’t agitate the ink tanks and put as much power behind the cleanings. But the Canon is twice as big and at least twice as heavy...

My experience is if no printing is done for many weeks, you may end up having to do one single head clean ( not all the heads ). But your heads won’t dry out and need replacing. Really though my 3100 has sat there for months with no missing nozzles at all. Unplug it and leave it , and you will have trouble. But I agree, it’s a good idea to run one color target through it once a week for best results. Also Periodically I take the ink carts out and shake them if I’m not printing.

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If soft-off means using the powerbutton near the screen; I don't soft-off;  I keep it on all the time- it goes to sleep and then wakes now and then to clean a bit.
I agree that printing a small target every week all with colours is a good thing to keep the printer healthy. My Z3100 runs already since januari 2007...
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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2020, 06:23:44 pm »

One thing to be remembered about these Zs, don’t unplug them and turn them off for long periods. When my 3100 broke a belt I left it for almost a year. All the heads were dried, with a blank nozzle check, and I had to replace all six at a cost of about $430.00. Recently someone offered me a z3200 that was in really good condition, only problem was they did the same thing. Soaking the heads didn’t work, so I passed.

You can leave these printers almost forever plugged in without use, but unplugged for a long time will cost you. The good thing is the ink doesn’t dry in the lines, only the heads.

There's probably some variation to that too, depending on where/how it's stored.  I had my z3100 in storage for about 1.5 yrs (thanks to poor planning around moving house). It was in climate-controlled storage and bagged inside the original plastic wrap and styrofoam "crate". I was really nervous about it's condition the whole time, but the manual said nothing more was required for storage.

When I finally got it out of storage, I had to burn through a lot of ink and paper doing purges, head cleans, and diagnostics plots, but eventually it sorted out. The MK-R head was the only one that wasn't stellar, and it eventually had to be replaced some time later. (No surprise since it's nearest the spittoon crud. (Edit: right-side service station, not spittoon.)) I tried my best manually cleaning it, but just wasn't enough I guess.

Was pretty happy overall with how well it came back, since it could've been much worse like you said. Rather not do it again though!

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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2020, 10:45:42 pm »

What you long-term users say makes sense. Thanks. I'm going to print something at least every week from now on.  I've not been doing that.
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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2020, 01:34:42 am »

If soft-off means using the powerbutton near the screen; I don't soft-off;  I keep it on all the time- it goes to sleep and then wakes now and then to clean a bit.
I agree that printing a small target every week all with colours is a good thing to keep the printer healthy. My Z3100 runs already since januari 2007...

Yea, that makes sense. You leave it on all the time, after a configured amount of time it will fall asleep (Power button is now yellow). In this state it wakes up for jobs and maintenance, keeps the power fan running but  the wattage difference between on and sleeping is neglectible. Mine takes about 60W, not exactly economical.
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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2020, 03:20:11 am »

Yea, that makes sense. You leave it on all the time, after a configured amount of time it will fall asleep (Power button is now yellow). In this state it wakes up for jobs and maintenance, keeps the power fan running but  the wattage difference between on and sleeping is neglectible. Mine takes about 60W, not exactly economical.
i measured the wattage some time ago:
Printer HPZ3100
standby  23 watt                             
standbye met lights on/ maintenance = 40 watt      
printing ca 60-80  watt

in my case about 40€ a year
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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2020, 05:47:38 pm »

In many ways the Z3200 was a slight improvement over the Z3100, except for the fan. In the 3100 when asleep the fan goes to sleep also. Why in the world the 3200 fan stays on I’ll never figure out. It’s bound to burn out faster and waste electricity. I’ve gotten used to the sound.



i measured the wattage some time ago:
Printer HPZ3100
standby  23 watt                             
standbye met lights on/ maintenance = 40 watt      
printing ca 60-80  watt

in my case about 40€ a year
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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2020, 03:50:36 am »

In many ways the Z3200 was a slight improvement over the Z3100, except for the fan. In the 3100 when asleep the fan goes to sleep also. Why in the world the 3200 fan stays on I’ll never figure out. It’s bound to burn out faster and waste electricity. I’ve gotten used to the sound.

Did not know that; makes it far less nice to keep the printer on. I also can see no reason it should stay on.
isn't it made to make the ink spill in the right direction- while printing?
I think i am on my third fan.
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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2020, 05:53:06 am »

Thats why I replaced all fans with silent ones, the power supply got an inaudible Noctua NF-A8 ULN.
I forgot the type I used for the service station.
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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2020, 08:16:10 am »

That’s cool. I didn’t even know there were two of them.

In 12 years I never had to replace the fan on the 3100. How easy is it to replace the 3200 fan. I should buy one and have it ready.




Thats why I replaced all fans with silent ones, the power supply got an inaudible Noctua NF-A8 ULN.
I forgot the type I used for the service station.
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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2020, 01:58:08 pm »

The Aerosol Fan on the service station can be changed easily, just need to take of the right cover.
For the PSU on the left side you need to take of the plastics, the lever and remove the formatter board. Then unplug all cables from the PSU to the mainboard and take it out. The fan is inside the cage. 
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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2020, 09:00:01 pm »

Great post Peter! Thanks for sharing. In my own nightmare now.
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Re: Social Media and Peter's Z3200
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2020, 10:22:33 am »

The Aerosol Fan on the service station can be changed easily, just need to take of the right cover.
For the PSU on the left side you need to take of the plastics, the lever and remove the formatter board. Then unplug all cables from the PSU to the mainboard and take it out. The fan is inside the cage.

Changing out the PSU fan will prove to be an arduous task startingfrom scratch just to change out the fan. If the left side is open for other repairs it will be easier, but even so, since the fan is inside the psu cage there are a ton of screws just to get at it. I changed mine out last time it was open to replacethe carriage belt, but it was a pain:
Replacing psu fan

It amazes me that they out a cheap sleeve bearing fan in a machine designed to run 24/7/365.

And... field technicians never replace a fan - they ONLY replace the entire power supply.

Be warned that the Z9+ is extremely difficult to even change out the power supply which houses the HDD and LAN card, unlike the ease with which the formatter board can easily be removed on the Z3100-Z3200 models.

The PSU fan is a critical component in the power supply. If anyone changes it, get the very best fan you can find. Ball bearings all the way.

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