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« Reply #16520 on: November 11, 2024, 01:25:50 pm »

Don’t repeat yourself. It’s not only repetitive, it’s redundant, and people have heard it before." -Daniel Handler
And they don't as usual, take it seriously!
We not only have TDS in full view here, but now also FDS!
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« Reply #16521 on: November 11, 2024, 02:13:51 pm »

Very interesting, Frans. Have you any photos we can find on LuLa?

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« Reply #16522 on: November 11, 2024, 03:06:24 pm »

We not only have TDS in full view here, but now also FDS!
"Stupidity is always amazing, no matter how used to it you become."-Jean Cocteau
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« Reply #16523 on: November 11, 2024, 03:16:01 pm »

Frans. Have you any photos we can find on LuLa?
Very, very unlikely when you consider: “You don't take a photograph, you make it”  -Ansel Adams
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« Reply #16524 on: November 12, 2024, 08:33:08 am »

Tin-Foil hats must be all the rage in fashion now.

I hope you're right.

I saw an online ad 2-3 weeks ago that accused Harris et al. of being the C-word and it turned out they meant communist. Lots of tin foil to go round. :)
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« Reply #16525 on: November 12, 2024, 09:29:00 am »

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« Reply #16526 on: November 12, 2024, 09:33:43 am »

These podcasts are interesting case studies of jurisdictions coming to terms with climate change. It is a 6-part series hosted by 99% Invisible podcast about designs that various places have had to implement. They are not polemics on the subject, no argy-bargy about whether or not it's real or man-made or sent by god or anything like that. They are stories about practical things that various jurisdictions are already doing now. They use the concept “design” very generally btw. In the episode about the history of Florida home hurricane insurance, they’re talking about the “design” of the insurance system in Florida. That was my favourite episode. Each episode is about 40 min long, so not a small commitment to listen to them all.

https://99percentinvisible.org/nbft/


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« Reply #16527 on: November 12, 2024, 12:01:25 pm »

Well, there are lots of votes to be had in the fruitcake classes; why would he pass on the opportunity? Let's face it: as with Mr P over in the Bonnie USSR (no, it never ended), once in power with a huge majority, one can alter whichever inconvenient law one desires, and a cute Presidency-for-Life sounds oh, so tempting, don't you think?

We are speeding into the phase after Democracy; 'twas ever thus: the wheel just keeps on turnin'.

Fortunately for me, I'm of an age where it hardly matters, but for the younger folks, you included...

One good news item about the recent US election is that they must have fixed all the procedural problems because there hasn't been one peep about rigged elections from MAGA-land.
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« Reply #16528 on: November 12, 2024, 12:22:11 pm »

One good news item about the recent US election is that they must have fixed all the procedural problems because there hasn't been one peep about rigged elections from MAGA-land.
It is a fair election when "they' (MAGA) win. When they lose, it's rigged. Simple.
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« Reply #16529 on: November 12, 2024, 12:37:38 pm »

It is a fair election when "they' (MAGA) win. When they lose, it's rigged. Simple.
Remember Al Gore?
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« Reply #16530 on: November 12, 2024, 12:59:38 pm »

Remember Al Gore?
“Well, it's not so easy to give an answer when you ask a stupid question!” -Hans Christian Andersen
Yes, he agreed to the free transfer of power following the court's decision.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/gores-dignity-and-rightful-disagreement/
Remember Trump? He didn't do any of the above and started an attack on the capital, lost 60 of 61 court cases, and still tells his sycophants like you that he won that election. He didn't.
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« Reply #16531 on: November 12, 2024, 02:36:55 pm »

“Well, it's not so easy to give an answer when you ask a stupid question!” -Hans Christian Andersen
Yes, he agreed to the free transfer of power following the court's decision.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/gores-dignity-and-rightful-disagreement/
Remember Trump? He didn't do any of the above and started an attack on the capital, lost 60 of 61 court cases, and still tells his sycophants like you that he won that election. He didn't.

Yes, when Gore lost, it was rigged and he kept it going for more than a month and would have continued longer if the Supreme Court hadn't stepped in. Maybe you could be honest for once?
Edit: sorry, I'm asking for the impossible.
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« Reply #16532 on: November 12, 2024, 02:42:28 pm »

Yes, when Gore lost, it was rigged and he kept it going for more than a month and would have continued longer if the Supreme Court hadn't stepped in. Maybe you could be honest for once?
As usual, inside your misinformation bubble, you got it all wrong. Nothing new. Gore never called the election rigged and never started an insurrection like Trump.

Gore was largely lauded for pursuing – and ultimately dropping – his challenge to the election results in 2000. Florida’s vote count that year showed Gore losing by a fraction of a percentage point to Bush, just a few hundred votes. Gore pursued a recount and legal options before accepting defeat after the Supreme Court ruled.

EXACTLY what Gore said, Trump hasn't and never will:
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“I accept the finality of the outcome, which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College. And tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession.”

And no, you are not honest as usual inside your confirmation bubble.
Your time would be so much better spent taking up a new hobby like photography than posting more rubbish on a site FOR actual photographers.  ;)
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« Reply #16533 on: November 12, 2024, 05:10:35 pm »

These podcasts are interesting case studies of jurisdictions coming to terms with climate change. It is a 6-part series hosted by 99% Invisible podcast about designs that various places have had to implement. They are not polemics on the subject, no argy-bargy about whether or not it's real or man-made or sent by god or anything like that. They are stories about practical things that various jurisdictions are already doing now. They use the concept “design” very generally btw. In the episode about the history of Florida home hurricane insurance, they’re talking about the “design” of the insurance system in Florida. That was my favourite episode. Each episode is about 40 min long, so not a small commitment to listen to them all.

https://99percentinvisible.org/nbft/


Thank you for the link, Robert.

It’s a worrying time in which we live. I found the final episode - Phoenix - the most concerning, because living in Spain, much the same threat surrounds me: heat.

That’s not to say that rain isn’t also a threat, but I kinda feel that in the local version of that threat, it might be the lack of cleaning of natural rain channels that’s the source of danger. Stuff grows very quickly, and bushes spring up out of nowhere, causing blockages in those natural gulches that then cause local flooding. Of course, when the rain gets too strong, no amount of natural runoff channels will cope, but the quantity of domestic waste that just gets dumped wherever it falls gets swept along into those natural drains, adding to the blockages.

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« Reply #16534 on: November 13, 2024, 07:23:45 am »

There may be conflict of interest issues with some Trump appointments https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/nov/13/donald-trump-joe-biden-elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-us-politics-live. I think this concern is misplaced. Conflicts of interest and worries about monopolies don't matter anymore.

What I'm wondering about is whether they're going to give up their day jobs to take on these roles or are they part-time gigs? Also, are those two ok with job-sharing? Maybe they'll work different hours, Elon in the morning, Vivek in the afternoons. Is Elon a morning person? Who is going to check their time sheets, btw? Musk has a lot of commitments, how is he going to divvy up his time, who is going to check that they're putting in the hours.

The new Secretary of Defence from FOX News vowed to get rid of "wokeism" in the military, a laudable goal.

Relax Franz, I'm just having some fun.
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« Reply #16536 on: November 13, 2024, 03:47:06 pm »

One small thing I've noticed is that a few of Trump's allies and/or appointees seem to be very anti-Trudeau. I don't know why they should care about the Canadian Prime Minister, must be some kind of virtue signalling. It's not as if Canada enacts laws that go against American wishes, but I guess he's deemed to be a progressive and that's enough. "Liberal bad, conservative good" is the current mantra. One thing that Canada has done recently is to institute high tariffs against Chinese EVs. I don't know why the Canadian government doesn't want price competition in the automotive sector. I wouldn't have minded having some Chinese ICE cars to choose from though, even if not electric, given that there are no small cheaper cars available these days. Is it some political thing, does everyone have to own a too large and too expensive car these days.
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« Reply #16537 on: November 13, 2024, 06:04:12 pm »

I don’t think they make normal cars anymore. It appears that the only stuff on offer, new, is either a luxobarge, or one of those tall, ugly and rather unstable-looking SUV vehicles. Of course, there are pretty sports cars, but several of those don't even give you - or have space for - a spare wheel. This is an indication of a world that has lost its common sense.

Regarding prices: I am convinced that they are arbitrary things, based not on production cost with a modest profit on top, but cynical numbers based more on how vulnerable the buyer’s ego, and how deep his/her pockets.

I have abandoned my daily coffee in the local bar, because it seems that my system is not really any longer in a fit condition to cope with the caffein kick: it leaves me with a sensation of extreme nervousness. So, today I opted for a hot chocolate drink instead. Which almost ended up on my lap, when I read in the paper that automation doesn’t kill jobs. Really? Has nobody in political office ever set foot in a factory these days? The very purpose of automation is to replace expensive, unreliable human input! Yes indeed, in some countries unemployment is low and would appear to contradict that idea, but has anyone noticed that it’s a fact that skilled people of the right age are hard to find? Apprenticeships are rare; this shortage of skilled youth is the price for that. Sell-by dates apply to humans, too. We have the phenomenon, today, of some people being ushered into early retirement, and then discovering themselves over-qualified to pick up less stressful work they’d imagined would give them a less pressured life and a little more income to help with the pension. Guess who gets those low-paid jobs instead.

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« Reply #16538 on: November 14, 2024, 09:09:09 am »

Yes, when Gore lost, it was rigged and he kept it going for more than a month and would have continued longer if the Supreme Court hadn't stepped in. Maybe you could be honest for once?
Edit: sorry, I'm asking for the impossible.

Hi Frans, I am a South African (I hereby apologise for Elon Musk!). I have no dog in this fight.
However, there is something I don't understand that perhaps you can explain:

In your 2016 election, the incumbent was a Democrat, so I am guessing that they were in control of the country? Trump won that election - no rigging.(?)
In 2020, Trump, a Republican was in charge and I presume he was in control of the country. He loses that election and immediately claims the election was rigged - while he was in control.

2024 - a Democrat in charge, and Trump wins again...(no rigging?), does this mean that the Republicans are rigging your elections?

 





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« Reply #16539 on: November 14, 2024, 10:25:20 am »

I don’t think they make normal cars anymore. It appears that the only stuff on offer, new, is either a luxobarge, or one of those tall, ugly and rather unstable-looking SUV vehicles. Of course, there are pretty sports cars, but several of those don't even give you - or have space for - a spare wheel. This is an indication of a world that has lost its common sense.

Regarding prices: I am convinced that they are arbitrary things, based not on production cost with a modest profit on top, but cynical numbers based more on how vulnerable the buyer’s ego, and how deep his/her pockets.

I have abandoned my daily coffee in the local bar, because it seems that my system is not really any longer in a fit condition to cope with the caffein kick: it leaves me with a sensation of extreme nervousness. So, today I opted for a hot chocolate drink instead. Which almost ended up on my lap, when I read in the paper that automation doesn’t kill jobs. Really? Has nobody in political office ever set foot in a factory these days? The very purpose of automation is to replace expensive, unreliable human input! Yes indeed, in some countries unemployment is low and would appear to contradict that idea, but has anyone noticed that it’s a fact that skilled people of the right age are hard to find? Apprenticeships are rare; this shortage of skilled youth is the price for that. Sell-by dates apply to humans, too. We have the phenomenon, today, of some people being ushered into early retirement, and then discovering themselves over-qualified to pick up less stressful work they’d imagined would give them a less pressured life and a little more income to help with the pension. Guess who gets those low-paid jobs instead.


Snapped this from the paper today, whist sitting in the local bar enjoying my hot chocolate.

As I was saying, robots... the future. Humans? Don't go there.
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