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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #15400 on: July 28, 2022, 08:39:25 am »

Looks like congress will pass $369 billion for climate change to reduce carbon emissions by 40% and subsidize EV's.  At least we should limit it to EV's made in the US.  Why should American taxpayers subsidize foreign companies? Of course, taxes won't pay for all of it, despite their claims, so we'll have to print more and inflation will cause the CPI to go up even more. Regarding Medicare, every time they give us more "free" benefits, the reimbursement to Medcare I have to give, go up.

In a major boost to Democrats, Manchin and Schumer announce deal for energy and health care bill
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/27/politics/schumer-manchin-deal-build-back-better/index.html

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« Reply #15401 on: July 28, 2022, 09:47:52 am »

Just when they decide to spend more, we've entered a recession.  Of course, democrats will claim it's not a "real" recession.  Well, I suppose inflation isn't real either.

US economy contracts again, fueling recession fears
(CNN)The US economy shrank again in the second quarter, the Bureau of Economic Analysis said Thursday.
Gross domestic product, a wide-ranging measure of economic activity, fell by 0.9% on an annualized basis from April through June. That decline marks a key symbolic threshold for the most commonly used — albeit unofficial — definition of a recession as two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/28/economy/us-economy-second-quarter-gdp/index.html

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« Reply #15402 on: July 28, 2022, 10:31:23 am »

Looks like congress will pass $369 billion for climate change to reduce carbon emissions by 40% and subsidize EV's.  At least we should limit it to EV's made in the US.  Why should American taxpayers subsidize foreign companies? Of course, taxes won't pay for all of it, despite their claims, so we'll have to print more and inflation will cause the CPI to go up even more. Regarding Medicare, every time they give us more "free" benefits, the reimbursement to Medcare I have to give, go up.

In a major boost to Democrats, Manchin and Schumer announce deal for energy and health care bill
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/27/politics/schumer-manchin-deal-build-back-better/index.html
Desperately seeking attention from anyone sadly.
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« Reply #15403 on: July 28, 2022, 11:56:13 am »

Price of gasoline keeps dropping. Biden must be good. ;)
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« Reply #15404 on: July 28, 2022, 12:06:44 pm »

Price of gasoline keeps dropping. Biden must be good. ;)

No that only matters as a criticism. If things look favorable again we need to remember that POTUS has no control over that.
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« Reply #15405 on: July 28, 2022, 03:40:18 pm »

Survey finds alarming trend toward political violence

https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/survey-finds-alarming-trend-toward-political-violence

A new report published as a preprint on medRXiv.org from researchers at the UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program (VPRP) reveals alarming trends in attitudes toward violence, including political violence, in the United States. The survey is the first of its kind to explore the participants’ personal willingness to engage in specific political violence scenarios.

“We expected the findings to be concerning, but these exceeded our worst expectations,” said Garen Wintemute, lead author of the study. Wintemute is an emergency department physician and director of the Violence Prevention Research Program and the California Firearm Violence Research Center at UC Davis.

The survey questions focused on three areas: beliefs regarding democracy and the potential for violence in the United States, beliefs regarding American society and institutions, and support for and willingness to engage in violence, including political violence. Some key findings from those surveyed:

• 67.2% perceive there is “a serious threat to our democracy.”

• 50.1% agree that “in the next several years, there will be civil war in the United States.”

• 42.4% agreed that “having a strong leader for America is more important than having a democracy.”

• 41.2% agreed that “in America, native-born white people are being replaced by immigrants.”

• 18.7% agreed strongly or very strongly that violence or force is needed to “protect American democracy” when “elected leaders will not.”

• 20.5% think that political violence is at least sometimes justifiable “in general.”

Among participants who considered political violence to be at least sometimes justified to achieve a specific objective, 12.2% were willing to commit political violence “to threaten or intimidate a person,” 10.4% “to injure a person,” and 7.1% “to kill a person.”

Among all participants, nearly 1 in 5 thought it was at least somewhat likely that within the next few years, in a situation where political violence was justified, “I will be armed with a gun.” Four percent thought it at least somewhat likely that “I will shoot someone with a gun.”

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/19/one-in-five-us-adults-condone-political-violence-survey
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« Reply #15406 on: July 28, 2022, 03:52:33 pm »

No that only matters as a criticism. If things look favorable again we need to remember that POTUS has no control over that.
First off, oil is still around $100 a barrel.  So it's still way up.  His new plans to spend even more money will cause more inflation raising oil prices again even higher. 

Biden could help himself, the democrats, and do all of us a favor if he would tell the public that because of the current situation in Ukraine and energy problems because of Russia, he's going to temporarily reverse some of his anti-fossil fuel positions and encourage more drilling, refining, etc.  He would be applauded by almost everyone in the middle who he needs in the November elections in Congress.  The price of oil would drop immediately and that would soon be reflected in the price of gasoline. 

But he won't do it because he's in bed with the green people.  The Democrats are going to suffer in November because of it. 

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« Reply #15407 on: July 28, 2022, 03:54:54 pm »

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But he won't do it because he's in bed with the green people. 
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Any pictures or video of that?
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« Reply #15409 on: July 28, 2022, 04:05:04 pm »

First off, oil is still around $100 a barrel.  So it's still way up.  His new plans to spend even more money will cause more inflation raising oil prices again even higher. 

Biden could help himself, the democrats, and do all of us a favor if he would tell the public that because of the current situation in Ukraine and energy problems because of Russia, he's going to temporarily reverse some of his anti-fossil fuel positions and encourage more drilling, refining, etc.  He would be applauded by almost everyone in the middle who he needs in the November elections in Congress.  The price of oil would drop immediately and that would soon be reflected in the price of gasoline. 

But he won't do it because he's in bed with the green people.  The Democrats are going to suffer in November because of it.

Good to see you can still get some political mileage out of it. ;)
That may be true but as a "green person" I think encouraging more renewable energy will make us less dependent on foreign sources and also reduce demand for oil which will eventually drive the price down. That would be a permanent solution if we could get the political momentum to do it.
Either way will involve some pain and one way can break the cycle (of nonrenewable energy) while the other feeds it.
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« Reply #15410 on: July 28, 2022, 04:11:02 pm »

I recently saw this short clip of Jim Jeffries on Trump from before 2016. Warning to those who don't know Jim's comedy, he uses a lot of impolite language, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIFuSFDFZ2Q.
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« Reply #15411 on: July 28, 2022, 04:16:16 pm »

A new book from Malcom Nance is currently among the Top 20 Nonfiction Books at Amazon and #6 on New York Times Nonfiction Bestseller list (Combined Print & E-Book)...

They Want to Kill Americans: The Militias, Terrorists, and Deranged Ideology of the Trump Insurgency

https://books.google.com/They Want to Kill Americans/Read Selected Pages

https://www.amazon.com/They Want to Kill Americans: The Militias, Terrorists, and Deranged Ideology of the Trump Insurgency

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/they-want-to-kill-americans-malcolm-nance

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« Reply #15412 on: July 28, 2022, 04:40:46 pm »

Should anyone think that Malcom Nance is promoting hysteria regarding the potential for a rise in right-wing Trumpublican-cult political violence, I would refer you to the insurrection at the Capitol and the recent survey posted above from the UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program.

For a short (18 minute) interview with Malcom Nance regarding his new book and his recent involvement with fighting the Russian invasion in Ukraine, there is this video from Amanpour and Company from PBS...

https://www.youtube.com/Malcolm Nance: “We Are on the Last Leg of the American Experiment” | Amanpour and Company

For a longer interview (1 hour), there is this video posted two days ago by The Commonwealth Club of California...

https://www.youtube.com/Malcolm Nance: Behind the Ideology of the Trump Insurgency
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« Reply #15413 on: July 28, 2022, 05:41:04 pm »

But he won't do it because he's in bed with the green people.  The Democrats are going to suffer in November because of it.
Meanwhile, so many here suffering from a senior moron, oh well.
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« Reply #15414 on: July 28, 2022, 06:56:16 pm »

First off, oil is still around $100 a barrel.  So it's still way up.

Best thing that ever happened to Planet Earth is triple-digit oil prices.

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...he's going to temporarily reverse some of his anti-fossil fuel positions and encourage more drilling, refining, etc. ... The price of oil would drop immediately and that would soon be reflected in the price of gasoline.

Astounding, even for Alan.  The world oil price is still controlled by Biden.  How incredibly naive can an adult American be?
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« Reply #15415 on: July 28, 2022, 07:07:28 pm »

How incredibly naive can an adult American be?
You've got the authoring of so much naivity (and utter rubbish) here by one fellow, imagine those he looks up to! Sad.
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« Reply #15416 on: July 28, 2022, 07:41:10 pm »

How incredibly naive can an adult American be?

There are at least 74 million Americans whose bullshit detector is broken beyond all repair.
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« Reply #15417 on: July 28, 2022, 08:06:26 pm »

Good to see you can still get some political mileage out of it. ;)
That may be true but as a "green person" I think encouraging more renewable energy will make us less dependent on foreign sources and also reduce demand for oil which will eventually drive the price down. That would be a permanent solution if we could get the political momentum to do it.
Either way will involve some pain and one way can break the cycle (of nonrenewable energy) while the other feeds it.
But a lot of people just cannot afford it.   They need fuel in the winter as well as fuel for the cars.  Are they supposed to forgo good food for the children and medical visits because of high fuel prices?  Are they supposed to wait ten years until the cost of EV is down to where they can afford it? 

You can't get political momentum when you tell people they should tighten their belts because you think you have the truth about how people should live.  You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.  The approach should be of consideration of how you can get from here to there without hurting people.  Otherwise, you'll just get a revolt, and people won't do anything.  Pushing stern demands about green and punishing people will just get people elected who are opposed to your ideas so you won't get anywhere. 

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« Reply #15418 on: July 28, 2022, 08:25:44 pm »

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Flies are attracted by massive amounts of BS; good job Alan!
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« Reply #15419 on: July 28, 2022, 09:59:27 pm »

But a lot of people just cannot afford it.   They need fuel in the winter as well as fuel for the cars.  Are they supposed to forgo good food for the children and medical visits because of high fuel prices?  Are they supposed to wait ten years until the cost of EV is down to where they can afford it? 

You can't get political momentum when you tell people they should tighten their belts because you think you have the truth about how people should live.  You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.  The approach should be of consideration of how you can get from here to there without hurting people.  Otherwise, you'll just get a revolt, and people won't do anything.  Pushing stern demands about green and punishing people will just get people elected who are opposed to your ideas so you won't get anywhere.

An avowed free marketer preaching price controls!  Nooooo, say it ain't so.
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