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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #12220 on: November 06, 2021, 12:47:57 pm »

Student records teacher's in-class rant in Ventura, https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/579942-california-teacher-disciplined-for-going-on-political-rant-during-class.

Somewhere on these pages in the past weeks, Alan K brought up the idea (forget in what context but maybe a gubernatorial election?) about parents wanting more control over what goes on in classrooms. He may have a point.
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« Reply #12221 on: November 06, 2021, 06:06:52 pm »

Student records teacher's in-class rant in Ventura, https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/579942-california-teacher-disciplined-for-going-on-political-rant-during-class.

Somewhere on these pages in the past weeks, Alan K brought up the idea (forget in what context but maybe a gubernatorial election?) about parents wanting more control over what goes on in classrooms. He may have a point.
the Democrats lost in Virginia because of the school issue and dragging their feet in Washington. They already learned their lesson and passed the infrastructure bill. Nothing focuses one's attention like the hangman's noose.

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« Reply #12222 on: November 06, 2021, 06:56:37 pm »

There was no collusion.   Period.

Thanks for the clarification.
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« Reply #12223 on: November 06, 2021, 07:20:35 pm »

Opinions are based mainly on assumptions

That's why there is no "truth" and it's all just opinion.

With a philosophy of there is no truth, it's all just opinion, and opinions are based mainly on assumptions; I just don't care enough to respond any longer to the same repetitive nonsense. There's absolutely no point in doing so. It's a waste of time and energy better spent elsewhere.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #12224 on: November 06, 2021, 08:18:11 pm »

Agreed.
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« Reply #12225 on: November 07, 2021, 09:24:59 am »

With a philosophy of there is no truth, it's all just opinion, and opinions are based mainly on assumptions; I just don't care enough to respond any longer to the same repetitive nonsense. There's absolutely no point in doing so. It's a waste of time and energy better spent elsewhere.
You cherry-picked my statements and took them out of context.  How clever of you.  Here are the full posts I made when responding to opinions in media and about politics, Powell and other things.  Your nyah nyahing is just another way the left refuses to compete with viewpoints they don't agree with.  Apparently, you don't really believe in what you say you believe.

  You're assuming the media business isn't legitimate.  Maybe it isn't, maybe it is.  We're both assuming.  Why can you assume but I can't?   You assume that Powell received his position on merit only and others assume there were political reasons.  Maybe there were both.  Your arguing against assumptions doesn't make sense.  We all make assumptions here when we give our opinions.  After all, they're opinions.   Opinions are based mainly on assumptions especially when it comes to politics.  Reminds me of the quote: "How do you know when politicians are lying?"  "Their lips are moving."
Confirmation bias on your part.  Everyone does that.  That's why there is no "truth" and it's all just opinion.  The whole argument the left makes that they tell the truth and the right lies is just ego blindness on their part and a way to silence those they disagree with.  You think that your brain operates without ego.  Sorry.  You're just like everyone else.  Nothing wrong with it though.  But we need humility to understand that we all put our thumbs on the scale.  No one's immuned. 

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« Reply #12226 on: November 07, 2021, 02:35:12 pm »

Biden's approval down to 38%.  Now democrats know what republicans felt like :)  I don;t think they're going to pass the BBB social bill.

Biden's job approval rating is dismal, too, at 38% approve, 59% disapprove. He has the lowest rating of any modern president at this point in his term except Trump. Studies have concluded that a president's job approval rating is one of the most powerful factors affecting midterm elections.

The party of a president with an approval rating that has dipped below 50% often faces a blowout. In the 2017 midterms, when Trump's approval was at 37%, Republicans lost 41 House seats. In the 1994 midterms, when President Bill Clinton's approval was at 48%, Democrats lost 54
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/11/07/biden-approval-falls-38-midterms-loom-usa-today-suffolk-poll/6320098001/

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« Reply #12227 on: November 07, 2021, 03:14:38 pm »

Biden's approval down to 38%.  Now democrats know what republicans felt like :)  I don;t think they're going to pass the BBB social bill.

It's a sad thing when a president im his first year gets a lower score than his until-then-the-worst predecessor.
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« Reply #12228 on: November 07, 2021, 03:33:06 pm »

It's a sad thing when a president im his first year gets a lower score than his until-then-the-worst predecessor.
It's a good thing some Republicans voted for the infrastructure bill or Biden would have accomplished nothing since elected. 

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« Reply #12229 on: November 07, 2021, 05:52:43 pm »

the Democrats lost in Virginia because of the school issue and dragging their feet in Washington. They already learned their lesson and passed the infrastructure bill. Nothing focuses one's attention like the hangman's noose.

The Dems, despite their good ideas, are real champs at shooting themselves in the foot.
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« Reply #12230 on: November 07, 2021, 10:15:17 pm »

Interesting discussion on a Freakonomics podcast about corruption in different countries but mostly comparing corruption in the US and China, https://freakonomics.com/podcast/chinas-gilded-age/.

From the page's blurb: "Yuen Yuen Ang is a professor of political science at the University of Michigan. She recently published a book called China’s Gilded Age: The Paradox of Economic Boom and Vast Corruption. Her analysis is based on prosecutorial data, government compensation figures, news reports — and her own interviews with more than 400 Chinese bureaucrats. She’s trying to answer several questions about corruption. The main one is this: how has an economy like China’s been able to grow so large and so fast with such high levels of corruption? Economists usually point to corruption as an impediment to economic growth. And corruption in China is famously high, at least according to rankings like the one from Transparency International, a German association that collects corruption data around the world. Some scholars argue that corruption poses an existential threat to China, and president Xi Jinping seems to agree: since he took over, in 2012, he has led a crackdown in which more than 1.5 million government officials have been disciplined, with thousands sent to prison. The United States, meanwhile, ranks much lower on the Transparency International corruption index. But Yuen Yuen Ang says it’s not so straightforward."
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« Reply #12231 on: November 07, 2021, 10:34:31 pm »

Interesting discussion on a Freakonomics podcast about corruption in different countries but mostly comparing corruption in the US and China, https://freakonomics.com/podcast/chinas-gilded-age/.

From the page's blurb: "Yuen Yuen Ang is a professor of political science at the University of Michigan. She recently published a book called China’s Gilded Age: The Paradox of Economic Boom and Vast Corruption. Her analysis is based on prosecutorial data, government compensation figures, news reports — and her own interviews with more than 400 Chinese bureaucrats. She’s trying to answer several questions about corruption. The main one is this: how has an economy like China’s been able to grow so large and so fast with such high levels of corruption? Economists usually point to corruption as an impediment to economic growth. And corruption in China is famously high, at least according to rankings like the one from Transparency International, a German association that collects corruption data around the world. Some scholars argue that corruption poses an existential threat to China, and president Xi Jinping seems to agree: since he took over, in 2012, he has led a crackdown in which more than 1.5 million government officials have been disciplined, with thousands sent to prison. The United States, meanwhile, ranks much lower on the Transparency International corruption index. But Yuen Yuen Ang says it’s not so straightforward."
It's too soon to give China a pass.  The Communist Party owns huge enterprises.  Being able to control the purse and printing presses for currency, they may be able to cover up problems.  But for so long.  Look at the Evergrand Real Estate issue.  It sounds like a huge Ponzi scheme.  Something like 60% of investments and spending in China is in real estate counting for entire cities built but yet remaining empty.  Do we really know what's going on there? 

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« Reply #12232 on: November 08, 2021, 04:01:06 am »

The Dems, despite their good ideas, are real champs at shooting themselves in the foot.

It's the Trumpublicans stabbing democracy in the back that concerns me.
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« Reply #12233 on: November 08, 2021, 04:20:03 am »

It's a sad thing when a president im his first year gets a lower score than his until-then-the-worst predecessor.

Day 292 of administration aggregate approval rating: Biden - 42.6% / Trump - 37.6%

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating

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« Reply #12234 on: November 08, 2021, 07:40:03 am »

You cherry-picked my statements and took them out of context.  How clever of you.  Here are the full posts I made when responding to opinions in media and about politics, Powell and other things.  Your nyah nyahing is just another way the left refuses to compete with viewpoints they don't agree with.

I included links to the original full-text along with your quotes. The full-text and the full series of exchanges around them are just additional examples of why I no longer care. They contain additional examples of the multiple reasons for why I don't care. I'm more than willing to respond to anyone else, but I no longer care to play the games you enjoy.

Apparently, you don't really believe in what you say you believe.

I believe that I don't care to waste my time playing pointless games.
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« Reply #12235 on: November 08, 2021, 08:55:54 am »

Day 292 of administration aggregate approval rating: Biden - 42.6% / Trump - 37.6%

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating

Why don't you find Trump numbers for Nov 3-5 2017, so we can compare apples with oranges? (more accurately - bruised apples with bruised oranges)
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« Reply #12236 on: November 08, 2021, 09:07:47 am »

I did. That's exactly what those two aggregated poll numbers represent. They are the aggregated average of multiple approval polls rather than one single poll. Biden's approval poll average for day 292 of his administration compared to day 292 of Trump's administration. There was a link provided for you to look for yourself.

The aggregated numbers are from 538, but the same comparison for Biden and Trump at RealClearPolitics results in just a half-point difference with Biden doing 4.5% better than Trump for the same time period in each administration.
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« Reply #12237 on: November 08, 2021, 09:19:56 am »

RealClearPolitics average approval Nov. 6th (latest posted on their website currently) for Biden is 42.7%.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval

RealClearPolitics average approval Nov. 8th, 2017 for Trump was 38.2%.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval
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« Reply #12238 on: November 08, 2021, 10:04:47 am »

There was no collusion.   Period.  The only person involved with Russians was Hillary Clinton with her phony dossier packed with false information about Trump from Russians.

Mueller founds TONS of evidence of collusion between Trump and his campaign and the Russians. Just not enough to bring charges. His report says this explicitly. He also found plenty of evidence for obstruction. Here's a good summary of what Mueller actually found versus the falsehoods spread by right-wing media. https://time.com/5610317/mueller-report-myths-breakdown/

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« Reply #12239 on: November 08, 2021, 11:41:14 am »

It's too soon to give China a pass.  The Communist Party owns huge enterprises.  Being able to control the purse and printing presses for currency, they may be able to cover up problems.  But for so long.  Look at the Evergrand Real Estate issue.  It sounds like a huge Ponzi scheme.  Something like 60% of investments and spending in China is in real estate counting for entire cities built but yet remaining empty.  Do we really know what's going on there?

No one is giving China a pass. You have once again jumped to conclusions about a podcast's contents without listening to it.
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