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Jonathan Cross

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iPhone 12
« on: October 14, 2020, 04:50:40 am »

A very slick presentation by Apple of the iPhone 12.  I may have misheard but it seems there will be an Apple update soon to allow RAW images (and video?) to be shot and edited.  I thought it was indicated that it would be a proprietary RAW, so I wonder how quickly Lightroom, Photoshop and C1 and similar video editing packages will allow processing.

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Re: iPhone 12
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2020, 12:51:19 pm »

A very slick presentation by Apple of the iPhone 12.  I may have misheard but it seems there will be an Apple update soon to allow RAW images (and video?) to be shot and edited.  I thought it was indicated that it would be a proprietary RAW, so I wonder how quickly Lightroom, Photoshop and C1 and similar video editing packages will allow processing.

The Lightroom app has been able to take raw stills for some years.

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Re: iPhone 12
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2020, 01:10:31 pm »

Yes, but this is Apple's RAW, and justified as follows:

This is where Apple ProRaw fits in. As Alok Deshpande, Apple's Senior Manager of Camera Software Engineering, explained, ProRaw "provides many of the benefits of our multi-frame image processing and computational photography, like Deep Fusion and Smart HDR, and combines them with the depth and flexibility of a raw format".

He then went into a little more detail about how this is done, adding: "In order to achieve this, we constructed a new pipeline that takes components of the processing we do in our CPU, GPU, ISP and neural engine, and combines them into a new deep image file, computed at the time of capture, without any shutter delay. And we do this for all four cameras, dynamically adapting for various scenes while maintaining our intuitive camera experience."

That final comment is really the key to what could make ProRaw a popular new format, at least among iPhone 12 users. Rather than baffling you with a grid of sliders and confusing terms like 'vibrance', ProRaw editing will take place directly in the Photos app. But it won't only live there.

Apple said that ProRaw editing will be available in "other professional photo editing apps" and that it's also creating an API for third-party apps to capture in Apple ProRaw. There are still quite a few unknowns, such as the file sizes ProRaw might produce, but it seems likely that Apple's approach in the Photos app will be characteristically user-friendly.


The last paragraph indicates that Apple will allow 3rd parties to capture in Apple RAW, so my question remains.

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Re: iPhone 12
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2020, 01:16:51 pm »

I should have written in in my post above that the quote is from Techradar's explanation of Apple RAW

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Re: iPhone 12
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2020, 01:58:14 pm »

Like all digital cameras, the iPhone has always captured a raw but didn't always provide the raw to the user (kind of like when you set your DSLR to JPEG). I've had no issues getting raws from an iPhone X using iOS software like "Halide" as an example: https://halide.cam
This however is kind of new with iPhone 12 where the new Photo's application will do very proprietary processing and the presentation 'suggested' using (on Mac I suspect/iOS) many of the processing that can be done in the phone itself using some of it's dedicated processing.
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Re: iPhone 12
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2020, 08:51:01 pm »

Found this:

The A14 chip processes photos with the CPU, GPU, and Neural Engine to capture as much image data as possible. For the first time Apple has been able to achieve this with all four Pro cameras (three rear + front). This will be available in the default camera app, editing in the Photos app, and by releasing an API it means third-party photography apps can also take advantage of Apple ProRAW.
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Re: iPhone 12
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2020, 03:48:18 am »

The A14 chip processes photos with the CPU, GPU, and Neural Engine

This does not look "raw" to me.

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Re: iPhone 12
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2020, 09:32:30 am »

This does not look "raw" to me.
It processes the raw: something has to.
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Re: iPhone 12
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2020, 11:43:37 am »

“ProRAW gives you all the standard RAW information, along with the Apple image pipeline data. So you can get a head start on editing, with noise reduction and multiframe exposure adjustments already in place -- and have more time to tweak color and white balance."

Still a bit confusing.  Does it provide the standard raw with the apple sauce baked in, or will they be provided separately so that you can add the sauce to taste? Sounds like the former.
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